Reply With Quotehow can you say yes when they are good fa's out there yet?
I'll let you decide.
how can you say yes when they are good fa's out there yet?
Exactly Manny.
The Holting Pattern resulted in the roster that won us our second championship and sent David Robinson off in style.
It was a success, period. Now we have the opportunity to make moves and get even better. What's the problem?
The problem?
According to ghost that we don't have ron artest and payton on the team, thats the problem.
is was a success because they wanted to have cap room to sign someone to take davids place. either by trade or a fa.
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I could never figure Holt out.
He seems concerned at times
and yet he Gave POP that huge contract.
I think Holt Is in to deep with David.
David stayed he owed him a favor
made POP coach, now Tim signs contract he owes
David a Favor also.
To Much back scratching going on.
Maybe it is better teams have that tight relationship
but then why Did Avery get the cooled shoulder?
Not to mention Bob Hill.
But to answer your question?
I don't know. I never go into the whole Holting patteren thing
It took me a few days just to figure out the Hoya Bama thing
Are we in a time warp, here? This looks like a thread from last year (no offense to Manny)...mouse did you cut and paste from your old post file again?
I heard SR might merge with Woai+
= :gun
We wono, so it can't be considered anything but a success. However, this offseason isn't very likely to go down as a success.
It was a resounding success...but now we find ourselves with the very real possibility of creating a dynasty..the stakes are higher now as is the criteria for success or failure..
I don't care if we win the next 15 les nothing is ever gonna top DROB going out like he did..
But in meantime..with the right moves within the next two years we can have a dynasty..and to do that we need to keep our young core together and either improve our perimeter players or find a dominant bigman to play alongside Tim.
So yes it was a success but we find oursleves with the possiblity of having more success that we imagined a few years ago..
I am gonna go on record as saying that you will never see an NBA Dynasty with Nesterovich or Kandi as the starting center. We must be careful and max out our opportunities.. if not this year...then next.
I'll let you know when I see that it's over, i.e. Spurs sign out to the cap, and then re-sign who they want.
The hotling pattern is a success. Just think about it, we need a big man this offseason, we drafted a big man that could jump out of the gym in Robertas Javtokas, but as we all know, his services are no longer available. The San Antonio Spurs were setup perfectly; if not for a bad decision or two from him.
That man was the perfect fit.
1. Even without getting the primary targets if we hadn't made the effort to attract another "superstar" would TD have sign on to stay?
2. We still don't know what we're getting. If it's Rasho in hand maybe we can do a S&T of Malik for Brand or go outright for Odom.
3. The damaged suffered in waiting. Trades we could have made last year for Smith but we don't really know if any and what existed. Wasting a draft pick for cap space but that 1st round down the road may pay dividends. Not picking up Speedy's option. Parker's hurt feelings. I don't want to get into all those Payton, Artest, fantasies. Not too bad all in all so the Holting Pattern downside wasn't that great. And in the meantime we got a championship to soften the blow.
If somebody can point out any moves over the last couple of years that would have yielded us a very good/great long term replacement for DR and yielded us a ring I'll reconsider.
The Championship makes it a success. Maybe if they weren't in a Holting Pattern, they would have F'd up their chemistry by getting someone like LMurray or LSprewell.
The ring makes it all worth while.
Even if they sign Rasoft Neserowimp
So far, it's a failure.
Only a complete @ssh0le would conclude that clearing cap space for the summer of 2003 was the reason why we won it this past season.
That was not part of the plan.
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and then:Only a complete @ssh0le would conclude that clearing cap space for the summer of 2003 was the reason why we won it this past season.
That was not part of the plan.
You make no sense whatsoever. Who GAF if it was a "part of the plan"? It ing happened and you assured us it wouldn't.
Besides, how the F do you make a championship "part of the plan"?
God you are one stupid mother er.
I think some here fail to realize that the HOLTING PATTERN and winning a championship this past season are actually not related. The HOLTING PATTERN does give the team excellent flexibility going forward, whether or not the team does manage to sign another star player. But what happened this past season, in terms of the team winning a le, could have happened if the Spurs had decided to not clear up cap space anyhow. The core set of players (Manu, Jax, Parker, Bowen, etc) were going to be there anyhow. I don't think the Spurs had planned on that team being the core to win championships this past year, and down the road. But a strange thing happened along the way, IT ACTUALLY WORKED.
In my opinion, the jury is still out. But as far as I can tell, the HOLTING PATTERN has been a failure this summer.
As far as I can tell adidas you don't know what you are talking about. The Spurs rebuilding strategy was to develop the young talent and clear up cap room for this summer to address the retirement of David Robinson. That young talent helped the Spurs win a championship if I am not mistaken. Those criticizing this strategy claimed the Spurs were not doing what they could to win a championship.
Yeah.
Adidas, the flaw in that is that our roster would have looked significantly different had we not been engaged in the Holting Pattern. Its not like we would have had the exact same team, but with longer, more expensive contracts. In all likelyhood, our main players would have been different. Stephen Jackson is probably the best example. Stephen was brought in as a project and at best to be a bench player. Steve Smith, the biggest Pawn in the Holting Pattern game was the starter at the beginning of the season. Jackson entered the starting lineup only because of Smith's injury, and Jackson emerged from there.
Without the Holting Pattern, Steve Smith most likely would not have been our starting 2 at the beginning of the season and the entire house of cards begins to tumble from there.
Then can someone lay out to me how not going into the Holting Pattern would have prevented Manu (who was drafted in 1999), Parker (who was drafted before the Holting Pattern truly went into effect), and Jax (who was already on the roster) from playing on the Spurs? As I recall, the Holting Pattern had nothing to do with giving playing time to these players. But then again, maybe I'm wrong.
I'm just telling you as an honest Laker fan, I'm liking the way things are going right now! I couldn't have asked for a better scenario than how things have played out so far this summer.
Too late adidas, we don't have time to rehash that bull . Just be assured that Ghost complained mightily that Parker wasn't traded. Also Jack starting was a part of his development.
It had EVERYTHING to do with it, whether it was intentional or not. Do you think that Parker plays more than 15 minutes if GP were brought in in 2001? Do you think JAX plays if the Spurs stupidly go and get Rahim this spring?As I recall, the Holting Pattern had nothing to do with giving playing time to these players. But then again, maybe I'm wrong.
Definitely a success for the obvious reasons, up until now at least.
Jkidd not coming to the Spurs was a weird occurence, I feel bad for TD, i think the whole JKidd fiasco was a slap in TD's face. JermO was never a priority and with Brand remains to be seen. Question is how many years is the team gonna be affected by this pattern and what are the expectations?
How can winning a championship be seperated from personal moves?
Thats ing ludacris.
Ghost is just pissed off because GP and Artest arne't here, nevermind that we didn't win a championship. He's jumping at ever chance to call this offseason a failure before its even over.
The spurs did what was nessecary to win a championshp and also left flexibility had they not done so. That is FRONT OFFICE GENIUS not FAILURE.
**** artest
**** Payton
And last but certainly not least
**** Ghost for whinning about what the spurs front office does when it leads to championships.
Get back to us in a couple of weeks.I'm just telling you as an honest Laker fan, I'm liking the way things are going right now! I couldn't have asked for a better scenario than how things have played out so far this summer.
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