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I don't think the point of trolling is logical consistency.
hey if you gonna put the sole blame on kobe for losing, then you got to give him sole credit for winning.
I don't think the point of trolling is logical consistency.
^Yep, yep.
man midnight is returning fire lately. kinda cool to see. I understand Kobe has more rings, and if he gets to 6 w/out Duncan ever hitting 5, or at least making it back to the finals, then it is pretty much inevitable that ESPN analysts (unfortunately the closest thing the general public has to "sports historians") will consider Kobe the man of the era.
The argument, as the 'ships are currently distributed, still leans a little towards Duncan when you consider the Shaq as Batman factor, and look at how much lower Kobe's low points are in comparison to Duncan's. The fact that in the first years of the Laker's Kobe era they weren't any kind of a force for contenders to fear makes Duncan's consistency stand out as an achievement rather than just an arbitrary stat.
I never even suggested as such in my original post.
I addressed the false claim, made by you Kobe fans, that "he had no help" and basically carried the Lakers. The stats illustrate otherwise.
Why, is this an internet challenge...yikes, better get my bball reference guide out and my box score glasses on.Please love my Kobe
Care to address the content of my original post? It's not blind hate, despite what you might believe. I back up my argument with statistics and analysis.
Please, argue with yourself.
so if smush and kwame were so good why they out of the league within a year of leavin the lakers?
There aren't any logical inconsistencies in my original post. Nowhere did I state that Kobe was solely responsible for the Lakers series loss against the Suns.
I don't think the point of trolling is logical consistency.
I'm arguing that he had enough support to win that series and should bear some of the responsibility.
So much obsession with individuals when it is teams that win championships.
I enjoy talking about individuals players since teams are comprised of them and there is plenty to discuss about said players... but the obsession with K*be, L*Br*n, D*nc*n, etc. borders on pathological round these parts.
You're focusing on only two players. Players enter and leave the league quite frequently. Should I excuse Tim Duncan for not winning because Keith Bogans and Matt Bonner were a significant part of the rotation?
Point is, Kwame and Smush played decently enough in that series for the Lakers to win. Luke also had a few good games, and the Lakers bench outscored the Suns bench in over half the games. Not to mention the fact that Odom had a very strong series.
Kobe had enough help. That's it, and that's all.
So you have no argument? I thought you were the one leading the charge to "raise the bar" around here? I didn't simply open this thread with "Kobe sucks, har, har, har." I presented a coherent argument, supported by facts.
If you have nothing to contribute beyond stock responses, then please resume sucking Kobe's , Highlights.
Who's arguing that Kobe didn't have enough help. All laker fans know that they should have won that series against the Suns. They had a few unlucky breaks and blew it. The bottom line is this, without Kobe you wouldn't see the likes of Kwame, Smush, Cook or Walton have any decent games. It all starts with Kobe and ends with him. He wasn't good enough to win that series and if not for a Tim Thomas 3 after a blown rebound by Lamar, you'd be discussing the next series where the Lakers would have lost regardless. It wasn't their year.
Last year's playoffs have nothing to with this thread. Try to keep up.
ill take keith bogans and matt bonner everyday over smush and kwame. i still have nightmares about these two playing basketball. They might have been the worst decision makers i have ever seen. These scrubs were supposed to run the triangle and be our 3rd and 4th best players. Odom is a 3rd wheel at best and luke had one decent year and now he is a permenant ir.
Kobe fans argued that constantly after the series concluded. They spun it in such a way to lead us to believe that Kobe was scoring 35 a game on 50% shooting while the rest of the Lakers were standing around holding their s.
To this day, that myth is still propogated. And I'm doing my part in proving it wrong.
Okay you could just ask me what I think about the teams, instead of assuming I have only opinions about individual players based on a single post.
Or you could just put labels on me to make it seem like you're a better fan/more intelligent/more sane whatever it is you're aiming for.
Also, the franchises follow the paths of their franchise player, so the conversation would go about the same anyways. The Lakers have made it to the finals 3 more times and won 1 more championship (99/2000 AND 09/10 are allowed to be considered the same decade by LA fans, and its excused by calling it an "era." So I have no problem throwing in 99 as well, and just labeling that era "post Jordan."), which puts them ahead of San Antonio. But, once again it is at best (for Laker supporters) a close call when considering that their team missed the playoffs once, and were not considered contenders for 3 straight seasons.
and to this day kobe haters are trying to find excuses to put kobe down. lay off the haterade and try defending your team for a change
You keep talking about how Smush played decently, and I have no idea why.
Smush had two games you could construe as good. The rest of the series he played like hot trash and was a huge reason they lost the series.
Luke did play pretty well. But there were only two players who consistently brought it all series long: Kobe and Odom. Before then, Odom got ragged on constantly by Laker fans who complained that he shrank in big games. That series shut a lot of them up. He was fantastic. Didn't take long for people to forget (or discredit it entirely since the Lakers didn't win the series) and then he played very well against the Suns again in the 2007 postseason.
The 2006 Lakers were two phenomenal players and ten below-average NBA players. Full stop. They had the depth of a birdbath in July at every position. That they took the Suns to within a missed ORB of elimination is testament to what Phil Jackson can do with a minimal level of talent IMO.
My comments weren't directed at you, per se, more at the constant discussions that are single-mindedly focused on individual players to the point of missing the forest for the trees.
of a post!and to this day kobe haters are trying to find excuses to put kobe down. Lay off the haterade and try defending your team for a change
I'm surprised SomeCallMeTim is even willing to acknowledge Odom's presence on the 2006 Lakers, it's Lakerfan code of conduct to pretend he didn't exist.
we should do a "where are they now" for the 2005-2006 lakers. I wouldn't be suprised if brian cook is selling hotdogs outside of staples. lol.
lol gray named Lakers fans talking about how bad Smush and Kwame are pretending they actually watched in 2006.
you forgot to sayand to this day kobe haters are trying to find excuses to put kobe down. lay off the haterade and try defending your team for a change
Quit Hatin'
lol midnight ed up.
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