Richard Jefferson, Season 2

[Agloco]

y J looked good for the second game in a row. IF he can avoid going 2-9 or 3-10 in many games this year, it will be a much smoother year for them.

[Waps1980]

I agree with Mingus mostly.
It wasn’t just manu but the first quarter or so it was parker streaky to the lane, which he did well and we don’t want to stop that drive.
But while Parker is playing that game it really becomes a game where RJ just fills the court.
Parker, Manu(who ever but a 3 point shooter) and TD, anything else may fall to an offensive rebounder but thats it.
During this stage RJ isn’t required or rarely able to do more.

Skip forward in the game when TP and TD were out, the game play was different obviously RJ was no longer a court filler but 1st or 2nd scoring option.
And suprise suprise what did he do, found some rhythm and did what he can do.
To think he is going to do that alongside the big 3 is stupid, I think he will score most his points in bursts this season, those bursts being when he is the 1st or 2nd option not in the 1st quarter when the big 3 go to work.

Good work RJ love what I’m seeing so far this season.

[AussieFanKurt]

2009 RJ:

[ohmwrecker]

It is becoming pretty obvious that the RJ detractors are going to be able to find something wrong no matter what. I'm not sure if it's just save face because they were so adamant that RJ was a bad fit and was never going to do well here, but whatever the reason, it starting to get absurd.
I don't understand what is so difficult about giving the dude a little credit without nit picking the negatives.
Are you just so afraid to be wrong?
I realize we are just two games in and no one should jump to conclusions yet, but you can literally criticize every player on the team with this level of minutae.

[ElNono]

You don't think he was given 'a little credit' by the 'RJ detractors' the last two games?

And unless you're pretty new around here, we do 'nitpick and literally criticize every player on the team with this level of minutiae'. Manu just got criticized in this very thread for jacking up too many ill-advised threes. I don't see you running at his defense...

[DPG21920]

RJ didn't really have a good "game". He had an exceptional "quarter". Obviously, it would be nice if he was a factor throughout, but so far he answered one of his biggest questions from last year: If he is not involved early, can he stay engaged enough to make a difference when it matters?

The answer is yes so far. Everyone is going to have off games, but for RJ, that used to mean there was no chance of recovery. He did not have a good game, but then he stayed in it and exploded in the fourth quarter.

Tough to complain with RJ's play so far.

So basically you want everyone to suck RJ off for everything. Every player does good and bad. Some are under a more watchful eye for obvious reasons.

CROFL at the "are you so afraid to be wrong" shtick. You are so desperate to be right that your run around calling scoreboard on every little thing.

[ohmwrecker]

You don't think he was given 'a little credit' by the 'RJ detractors' the last two games?

And unless you're pretty new around here, we do 'nitpick and literally criticize every player on the team with this level of minutiae'. Manu just got criticized in this very thread for jacking up too many ill-advised threes. I don't see you running at his defense...

Yeah, you're right . . . It's the same exact situation.
I'm not running to anyone's defense . . . just making an observation. You are just being defensive.
Manu was really terrible, despite the numbers, last night. His decision making was questionable and he spent entirely to much time ing at Blair and Neal. He did "jack up" a lot of bad shots and didn't do a lot to move the offense and get others involved.
I give credit where it's due and lay blame where it belongs. I don't stick to my guns just to forward my agenda because I am afraid of being wrong.
If RJ is largely responsible for a loss this season I will freely admit it.

[DPG21920]

So when anyone makes an RJ comment and you run into the thread (which is virtually every time), it is just observation? But when someone replies, they are defensive.

This is a magical world you live in where are the rules are designed to make you look awesome

This is not a personal attack btw....

[HarlemHeat37]

So when anyone makes an RJ comment and you run into the thread (which is virtually every time), it is just observation? But when someone replies, they are defensive.

This is a magical world you live in where are the rules are designed to make you look awesome

This is not a personal attack btw....

[ohmwrecker]

So basically you want everyone to suck RJ off for everything. Every player does good and bad. Some are under a more watchful eye for obvious reasons.

CROFL at the "are you so afraid to be wrong" shtick. You are so desperate to be right that your run around calling scoreboard on every little thing.

Yeah, you got me . . . that's exactly what I want.
Manu, Tim and Tony deserve the lion's share of responsibility. Blame for losses, credit for wins. RJ belongs in the next tier with Blair and Hill. Of those three, RJ is, as of now, the best and most consistent performer.


I don't get this "calling scoreboard" . Where am I doing this?
I could easily say you were calling scoreboard in the preseason if you want to play that game.

lol see my post

[Blackjack]

When you're Omnipotent, awesomeness supersedes rule.

It's good to be 'Jack, tbh, aimca,aitm-fOB,tbh

[Ice009]

RJ didn't really have a good "game". He had an exceptional "quarter". Obviously, it would be nice if he was a factor throughout, but so far he answered one of his biggest questions from last year: If he is not involved early, can he stay engaged enough to make a difference when it matters?

The answer is yes so far. Everyone is going to have off games, but for RJ, that used to mean there was no chance of recovery. He did not have a good game, but then he stayed in it and exploded in the fourth quarter.

Tough to complain with RJ's play so far.

RJ never got the ball. He didn't start of slow at all. He hardly ever got the ball from Manu or Tony in the first half. They were too busy jacking up shots.

[DPG21920]

Fml

[ChumpDumper]

Good game by RJ.

[ohmwrecker]

So when anyone makes an RJ comment and you run into the thread (which is virtually every time), it is just observation? But when someone replies, they are defensive.

Yes. I actually let a lot of stuff go. btw tbh imo

This is a magical world you live in where are the rules are designed to make you look awesome

Seriously though . . . doesn't this pretty much describe everyone on the board?

And . . . I am awesome.

[Ice009]

RJ's defense is a work in progress, but his offense so far this season is a lot better. The team needs to get him the ball more when he is playing good. They can't freeze him out. RJ has to be aggressive and assertive all the time though to deserve the ball, so I am not talking about getting him the ball to simply get him going. So far this season he has been aggressive when he's gotten it most of the time.

He's not going to get himself involved on defense because he still needs to work on that and get better, maybe further into the season he'll start engaging defensively and play better on that end too.

[ohmwrecker]

You are just really, really awful.

[Blackjack]

And . . . I am awesome.

Blackjack thinks you need to get over yourself.

[HarlemHeat37]

Blackjack thinks you need to get over yourself.

[ohmwrecker]

Blackjack thinks you need to get over yourself.

Ohmwrecker thinks the pot is calling the kettle Blackjack.

[Blackjack]

Ohmwrecker thinks the pot is calling the kettle Blackjack.

Blackjack isn't a color, and that comes across as racist, tbh.

Ain't no one more humble than Blackjack and Blackjack believes you need some humility.

That's just what He believes.

[ohmwrecker]

It's called a pun, son.


Racist? I'm looking at your avatar, friendo.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh give me a break.

He is scoring 17 points on 65% from the field. He is only shooting 3's at 33% but he is hitting most shots from more than 15 feet.

Ariza and Belinelli put up 12 points. Granger only scored 7 of his 26 points in Jefferson's 21 minutes on Wednesday. He held Granger without a point for the final 6 minutes to ice the game.

I have seen him cut off the baseline, keep up with his man in traffic, be an excellent transition defender, and not miss rotations.

Our problems have been Blair's inability to rotate on penetration, Neal and Anderson sucking, Hibbert having his way with Duncan and the Hornets hitting a -ton of long jumpers. That reminded me of Phoenix.

You can talk about 'lateral quickness' and 'average defender' all you want but if you cannot see that his agility on the court has improved immensely then you are just being intentionally obtuse. His ability to backpedal and move side to side in transition defense speaks for itself. The results speak for themselves.

He has been a plus-scorer and a plus-defender. He has been our best player and its not even close.

[mingus]

Oh give me a break.

He is scoring 17 points on 65% from the field. He is only shooting 3's at 33% but he is hitting most shots from more than 15 feet.

Ariza and Belinelli put up 12 points. Granger only scored 7 of his 26 points in Jefferson's 21 minutes on Wednesday. He held Granger without a point for the final 6 minutes to ice the game.

I have seen him cut off the baseline, keep up with his man in traffic, be an excellent transition defender, and not miss rotations.

Our problems have been Blair's inability to rotate on penetration, Neal and Anderson sucking and the Hornets hitting a -ton of long jumpers. That reminded me of Phoenix.

You can talk about 'lateral quickness' and 'average defender' all you want but if you cannot see that his agility on the court has improved immensely then you are just being intentionally obtuse.

He has been a plus-scorer and a plus-defender. He has been our best player and its not even close.

it is better, but it's still average. and i am and have been one of RJ's big supporters. he still s up on rotations.

and i disagree with Neal. Neal played a great game yesterday. he hit his shots on offense and played, surpisingly, tough-nosed and effective one-on-one defense.

[Blackjack]

It's called a pun, son.


Racist? I'm looking at your avatar, friendo.

I can't be a racist. Racists don't call others racist, no one throws that kind of rhetoric around irrationally.

Jobu is not a racist either. He can hit a curve ball.