Terror detainee largely acquitted

[ChumpDumper]

for the record, just because a combatant comes onto US soil and commits his attack doesnt automatically provide him with right to due process. Evidently Padilla is a great example.

What attack did Padilla commit?

[LnGrrrR]

i cant speak to his case, but what i am stating is fact. Why was he considered a combatant?

Look it up on wikipedia if you want to know. Roughly, if the "war on terrorism" is everywhere, then a "combatant" can be anywhere as well.

[ChumpDumper]

Reading comprehension issues? I specifically said the acts of terrorists are criminal.

Great, I'm glad you agree that acts of terror are crimes and that terrorists are criminals and can be prosecuted as such.

[LnGrrrR]

The acts of terrorists are criminal but the motivation to perform the acts is terror.

Technically, the motivation to perform acts is usually political in nature. The way they perform those acts is through the tactical usage of terror.

[LnGrrrR]

for the record, just because a combatant comes onto US soil and commits his attack doesnt automatically provide him with right to due process. Evidently Padilla is a great example.

You need to read up on him a little better.

[CosmicCowboy]

Great, I'm glad you agree that acts of terror are crimes and that terrorists are criminals and can be prosecuted as such.

Personally, I'd be OK with them just interrogating them for info at Guantanamo and then just feeding them to the sharks. Or just shoot them in Pakistan where they catch them. em.

[Parker2112]

Would you consider KSM a combatant or a terrorist?

for a court to decide

What attack did Padilla commit?

does guilt require carrying an act to its logical end?

[Parker2112]

You need to read up on him a little better.

Why?

[LnGrrrR]

Personally, I'd be OK with them just interrogating them for info at Guantanamo and then just feeding them to the sharks. Or just shoot them in Pakistan where they catch them. em.

For a conservative, you sure don't care much about the rule of law, or the whole "innocent before guilty" thing. Which, you know, is somewhat a bedrock for American's system of law. One might even call it a foundation of America.

Unless, you know, you're brown and worship Allah.

[ChumpDumper]

Personally, I'd be OK with them just interrogating them for info at Guantanamo and then just feeding them to the sharks. Or just shoot them in Pakistan where they catch them. em.

Yes, it's clear you don't believe in the American system of justice.

That's fine for you.

I do believe that there are some instances regarding battlefield captives that would be purely military affairs, but trying to act like KSM is such a case is disingenuous and ultimately cowardly.

[Parker2112]

the rule of law, or the whole "innocent before guilty" thing

doesnt apply to combatants. thought that part was over with?

[ChumpDumper]

for a court to decide

Cop out.

does guilt require carrying an act to its logical end?

So you are walking back from saying Padilla committed an attack.

Good idea.

[Parker2112]

Yes, it's clear you don't believe in the American system of justice.

That's fine for you.

I do believe that there are some instances regarding battlefield captives that would be purely military affairs, but trying to act like KSM is such a case is disingenuous and ultimately cowardly.

who made the decision to treat him as such?

[ChumpDumper]

who made the decision to treat him as such?

Cowards.

[LnGrrrR]

Why?

Here's your first clue. Padilla is an American citizen. Yeesh, for someone as concerned about civil liberties as you, you seem to know depressingly little about his case.

[Parker2112]

Cop out.



So you are walking back from saying Padilla committed an attack.

Good idea.

Judge/jury much? Where is that American spirit? What qualifies you to decide?

[LnGrrrR]

doesnt apply to combatants. thought that part was over with?

Would you care to show where the America rule of law doesn't apply to combatants?

[Parker2112]

Here's your first clue. Padilla is an American citizen. Yeesh, for someone as concerned about civil liberties as you, you seem to know depressingly little about his case.

does that mean he cant conduct operations for another force inside, as a co-conspirator?

[ChumpDumper]

Judge/jury much? Where is that American spirit? What qualifies you to decide?

You don't believe I am free to form an opinion?

Why do you hate freedom?

[Parker2112]

Would you care to show where the America rule of law doesn't apply to combatants?

If you knew enoough about crim law, I wouldnt have to.

Ask yourself this: why cant we jail a man who steals in mexico?

But why CAN we jail the same man if he attacks US forces in Mexico

[LnGrrrR]

does that mean he cant conduct operations for another force inside, as a co-conspirator?

Are you losing your own train of thought?

for the record, just because a combatant comes onto US soil and commits his attack doesnt automatically provide him with right to due process. Evidently Padilla is a great example.

So... Padilla didn't "come onto US soil". He was born here.

He didn't "commit an attack".

So... not really a "great example", is he?

[Winehole23]

The US government has lost 2/3 of Gitmo habeas reviews so far.

That means the government cannot even show good cause for the original detentions, much less for indefinite incarcerations and <enhanced questioning>

[Parker2112]

You don't believe I am free to form an opinion?

Why do you hate freedom?

Dont you believe I am free to believe that without the due process you hold so highly, any judgment is a useless exercise?

Evidently not.

[ChumpDumper]

does that mean he cant conduct operations for another force inside, as a co-conspirator?

So he could be tried using a federal treason statute.

OK.

[Parker2112]

Are you losing your own train of thought?



So... Padilla didn't "come onto US soil". He was born here.

He didn't "commit an attack".

So... not really a "great example", is he?

he sounds like a great example. Has due process been applied? yes or no.

Answer: sounds like a combatant to me.