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lol Bonner will NEVER be in Pop's doghouse as long as he remains on the team or is not injured.
These Bonner apologists have it right, complaining about him is absolutely pointless. Just be like Tpark and never question anything Pop does. Never!
I'll tell you, but you have to tell me first where I said that it's Bonner's fault the Spurs lost tonight.
lol Bonner will NEVER be in Pop's doghouse as long as he remains on the team or is not injured.
These Bonner apologists have it right, complaining about him is absolutely pointless. Just be like Tpark and never question anything Pop does. Never!
If bonners shot is falling he is the better choice if it is not Splitter should get more minutes..should be that easy. I thougt bonner actually did a decent job on Nowitzki and keeping him from driving and not fouling him. When a guy like that gets hot, not much anybody can do, gotta just hope he cools off which he didnt.
All in all it doesn't matter. The point is Bonner should never be in the game late...ever. He's not clutch and his inability to rebound makes him a huge liability.
So he shouldn't have been in the game when he hit that 3 ball against Minny in OT... just last game.
You should stop now.
you'd think so, wouldnt you?
When you call out a specific player and say he "chocked", you are in my opinion saying he is one of the main reasons for the loss. I am simply telling you that the day that bonner determines a win or a loss by himself is the day I stop watching spurs games. He is so far down on the list of reasons for the loss is stupid to single him out.
I don't think you can ever really defend Dirk (maybe Bowen slowed him down a bit,) but it's the other things that hurt when the Spurs had Bonner on him or when Pop went small - rebounding being the obvious one.
Spurs needed someone to step up to help Manu, but Jefferson and Bonner failed. The difference between the two is that on most nights Jefferson should be capable and Bonner's usually not.
I still don't understand why so many claim that Bonner does more than shoot 3's - he just doesn't.
Well, if this thread was about the Spurs team then I would call out others as it wasnt just him that did not fit the roll needed for them to win. However this thread id about Bonner unless I'm not reading the le right. And Bonner did choke tonight but to be fair, yes others did as well.
I do believe Bonner plays too prominent of a role for the Spurs to win a championship. But I think you're crazy if you think the Spurs lost this game because Dirk was unstoppable or killing them.
The Spurs played like crap offensively, Parker and Jefferson were M.I.A., and the Spurs were still in the driver's seat late. Had Manu not been on fire early and the Spurs' swagger not been at the ridiculous level it's been as of late, they would have been run off the floor.
Take a look at the box score. Other than the Spurs making their free throws, it ain't purdy.
The Spurs just didn't have enough people playing well.
I think you're forgetting Tony Parker in your "Manu Needed Help" equation.
No one defended that well tonight, including Bonner. Bonner is a one dimensional player. If he's bricking 3 pointers then Pop needs to make the decision to pull him out of the game. Pop didn't and so we got nothing from his position while he was out there. Bonner played too many minutes tonight. Pop should have tried more of Blair or Splitter. Bad coaching in my opinion.
I can see where you're coming from and many that defend Bonner, but I find it hard to see how having a player of Splitter's skill set would ever be a disadvantage compared to Bonner's. I know we need 3pt shooting, but I still believe defense and rebounding are bigger needs and have been for a while.
Pop put Bonner out there late because our offense dried up. If TP or RJ is playing even decent, I expect Blair or Dyess make another appearance. Instead, we're forced to go with an offensive lineup. That's not Pop's fault. He reacted like just about any coach would.
Bonners appeal should fade as well his 3 pt shooting. When a player shoots over 60% from 3pt, you try and maximize this as much as you can while he stays hot. I believe as bonners shooting goes, so well his minutes to splitter. Just a thought
why we lost:
Dirk going 12-14. whether it was bad defense or not, the Spurs are not likely to win when Dirk is scoring at that rate. he had a similar game one of the playoffs last year where he was hitting everything. he hits 7 or 8/14 that's 8-10 points less and the Spurs are in much better shape to win the game. that's why he's a hall-of-famer. that said, i would've liked to see Splitter on him.
Parker and RJ playing like complete utter . Because of this, I would've like to see Parker go into Duncan more. only 12 shots for Duncan is ridiculous when he was shooting well from the field and Parker can't hit. Spurs didn't do enough of a job trying to get him the ball.
no, I didn't - Tim, Tony and Manu are going to have several games this year where they are off and that's mainly because of the miles on each one of those players. I think they get a pass on those nights - they've earned it.
I think you're forgetting Tony Parker in your "Manu Needed Help" equation.
In order for this team to be a true contender, the big 3 will have to be less dominant in terms of their role than ever before. Obviously they're still the Spurs' big 3, but the role players will have to be much better than the Spurs have needed their role players to be for some time now.
I think Jefferson, Neal and Splitter have potential, but to rely on Bonner to do more than shoot 3's is a recipe for failure.
So your "argument" is that TP deserves a pass for having an incredibly ty game? Lame. I think you did, in fact, forget TP in your criticisms.
Bonner and RJ have played off of the Big 3's playmaking all season, specifically Tony and Manu's. When one of those 2 don't play well, and the 3rd isn't getting many shots, you can damn well expect the role players to struggle - whether the Big 3 deserves a "pass" or not.
C'mon guys, the only reason Pop signed Splitter was to wipe Bonner's ass after taking a out on the court.
Just u wait, Matt Bonner will lead the spurs to a championship, book it!!
We've all seen this movie before. Bonner will shoot well now and then to keep Pop interested. By the time the playoffs start, Bonner will be playing 25 minutes to Splitter's 5 minutes a game. We run into a team with a talented forward like West, Odom, Dirk and the hits the fan. All it took was Channing ing Frye last year.
Think what you want, but they most definitely should get a pass. If you expect them to continue at the pace they've played so far this year, to me that's pretty idealistic.
If our role players can't avoid struggling when 2 don't play well - we're doomed. If the Spurs are counting on Bonner to pick up the slack - we're definitely doomed.
This is one game in a long season, but it's a good taste of things to come - the Spurs will need huge contributions from their role players to be true contenders this year.
Yeah, no one said, or implied that. TP played well below average, in fact, his most terrible game of the season. You say yourself Bonner is a spotup three point shooter - so when our best passer (stat-wise) has 1 assist, why do you expect him to step up?
Blame RJ, the 40 million dollar man, if you must. All of it is lame as .
I'm not sold on that. I thought Pop simply didn't feel like going to Dice on Dirk to close the game. Putting Bonner on Dirk means an automatic double-team. Dirk should get credit for finding the open guy. Bonner should just simply not be closing out games against good teams, otherwise you're back to giving him the role that we argued ad nauseum he shouldn't have.
Ultimately, they executed great in the 4th, and we couldn't make a shot. I thought all those mistakes in the first half and part of the second is what cost us. Tony and RJ had poor games too. It happens, you're not going to win them all.
This team will not win a damn thing in April, May and June if Bonner sees more time than Splitter and McDyess.
Luckily it's only November.
Sorry - you said saying that TP gets a pass is lame, so I must have misunderstood you. I'm not blaming Bonner for the Spurs woes - he's probably playing the best he can right now. He just shouldn't be getting that many minutes and if that means I'm blaming Pop, so be it.
Jefferson is definitely to blame too, since he's expected to play better, but I have a lot more faith in him having a better game, in the next game, than I do Bonner.
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