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    ...and it's a stupid strategy that spanks the GOP in the long run.
    No, they will just vote for it after the tax season starts. It will still happen, and it will just make it harder for everyone and the IRS to change things. They will get enough democrats to cross over for it, and if Obama vetoes it, so many people will hate him more. Then they might even have enough votes for a veto override.

    Time will tell if this prediction stands. You see, the republicans cannot lose on this strategy. Only the democrats can.

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    Bunch of goddamn babies.

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    Will you PLEASE resize your ing sig pics and quit blowing the margins?
    No . maybe replace it with this:



    Start it just after 1:30.

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    Under Democratic plans you would get a tax cut. What a ing tool you are to get your panties in a bunch over tax cuts for the wealthy, which you are most certainly not and never will be. Go suck Trickle-down Economic .
    Are you high?

    That is all fluff, for fluffers like you. They are deceiving people, and you love satisfying them. Don't you.

    We don't need any more tax cuts, and the poor cannot have their taxes cut any more. As it stands, many families under $50,000 income or so effectively pay no taxes because of tax credits. This is wrong. Now I am all for removing the tax credits, but not increasing tax rates for anyone.

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    The Republicants are obviously working for the Rich and not the common man...if they wanted to help "the people"...they would have extended the Unemployment benefits instead of stopping them...that money goes directly back into the economy...but no...they want to help out their own pockets...by insuring they can extend tax breaks to the super rich...who by the way won't make a bit of difference in their pockets respectively speaking...

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    Given the fact that we're in a recession, why would we not extend all tax cuts?
    Fine, taken completely out of context this makes sense. But then considering how the GOP completely stonewalled any bit of effective stimulus I no where near ready to see them as having this stance because of the stimulus. There is disconnect between this policy and their adamant desire for a balanced budget.

    And I haven't even touched on whether or not removing those tax cuts would be bad for the economy or just bad for that tax brackets pocket books.

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    The Republicants are obviously working for the Rich and not the common man...if they wanted to help "the people"...they would have extended the Unemployment benefits instead of stopping them...that money goes directly back into the economy...but no...they want to help out their own pockets...by insuring they can extend tax breaks to the super rich...who by the way won't make a bit of difference in their pockets respectively speaking...
    Unemployment is not meant as a long term program, nor is it meant to be paid out of the general revenue. It is a government backed insurance, designed with an expiration for a reason.

    Sorry, people simply need to go back to work, even if it doesn't pay what they like. There are jobs out there if you are willing to work for less than normal.

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    Fine, taken completely out of context this makes sense. But then considering how the GOP completely stonewalled any bit of effective stimulus I no where near ready to see them as having this stance because of the stimulus. There is disconnect between this policy and their adamant desire for a balanced budget.

    And I haven't even touched on whether or not removing those tax cuts would be bad for the economy or just bad for that tax brackets pocket books.
    So you object just on the political hypocrisy and don't really hate the rich?

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    I wish the Democrats would show some ing spine and let the tax cuts expire. The GOP will continue to push them until they fight back.

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    Fine, taken completely out of context this makes sense. But then considering how the GOP completely stonewalled any bit of effective stimulus I no where near ready to see them as having this stance because of the stimulus. There is disconnect between this policy and their adamant desire for a balanced budget.

    And I haven't even touched on whether or not removing those tax cuts would be bad for the economy or just bad for that tax brackets pocket books.
    Maybe many people don't agree on what stimulates and what doesn't...

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    So you object just on the hypocrisy and don't really hate the rich?
    No, he's a bigot that doesn't believe in equal rights. Since he hates the rich, he thinks it's OK to discriminate against them.

    I just wonder if he ever got a meaningful job from someone who makes less than $200k.

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    So you object just on the hypocrisy and don't really hate the rich?
    I don't hate the rich. I hate the level of relative representation given to the rich in our government. The rich get their way all the time and they make up a really small minority in our country.

    I also hate the blanket economic thinking that tax cuts are always good economic policy.

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    No, he's a bigot that doesn't believe in equal rights. Since he hates the rich, he thinks it's OK to discriminate against them.

    I just wonder if he ever got a meaningful job from someone who makes less than $200k.

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    If the Repugs are good-faith serious about national deficit, then they will let the taxes rise on the $200K.

    But the deficit scare-mongering,

    "will somebody please think about the grandchildren",

    "small businesses at risk"

    is a huge smokescreen scam, just another VRWC lie.

    The inarguable, overwhelming priority is to get the economy moving again and millions of job created, NOT THE DEFICIT.

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    If the Repugs are good-faith serious about national deficit, then they will let the taxes rise on the $200K.

    But the deficit scare-mongering,

    "will somebody please think about the grandchildren",

    "small businesses at risk"

    is a huge smokescreen scam, just another VRWC lie.

    The inarguable, overwhelming priority is to get the economy moving again and millions of job created, NOT THE DEFICIT.
    If you say so, but if those making more than $200k have less money to put into buying cards, CD's etc, doesn't that affect the economy in a negative way?

    You should really use the few brain cells you have.

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    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...lass-tax-cuts/

    Hoyer to allow vote Thursday on middle class tax cuts

    By: CNN Congressional Producers Deirdre Walsh and Evan Glass

    Washington (CNN) – On the same day Congressional and White House negotiators met to broker a compromise on how to deal with the Bush-era tax cuts that are expiring at the end of the year, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer announced that House Democrats would push ahead on a vote Thursday to permanently extend tax breaks just for those making $250,000 a year or less. Republicans argue tax cuts should be extended for everyone, including the wealthy.

    Hoyer said the House bill would include permanent extensions of income tax rates for the middle class, plus tax breaks for married couples, the child tax credit, and the earned income tax credit.

    The Maryland Democrat insisted that there was common ground between Republicans and Democrats on ensuring there are no tax increases for people making $250,000 or less and cited several polls showing the American public supports this approach. "We have agreement on that. There is not agreement on other aspects of issue, as you all know. But it is a shame that what we have agreement on is being held hostage by that on which we do not have agreement."

    Hoyer maintained that moving forward with just a vote on the so-called middle class tax cuts would not interfere with the negotiations on the broader tax cuts, telling reporters Wednesday he spoke with the House Democratic negotiator in the talks, Maryland Democratic Rep Chris Van Hollen. "He and I both agree that this matter moving forward should not undermine negotiations on a compromise," Hoyer said.

    Outgoing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told CNN the vote was always part of the Democrats' plans and was intended to press the importance of their policy stand.

    "To show our position very clearly that Democrats support tax cuts for the middle class. We think it is fairer thing to do and is necessary at this time in our economy," Pelosi said.
    Hoyer emphasized that Democrats are following through on a commitment to avoid tax increases on the middle class. Republicans, he said, are the ones who decided in 2001 to let the tax cuts expire this year. "It is an effort to show, as we said before the election, that we were going to make sure the middle income working men and women of America did not have the consequences of the Republican sunset."

    House GOP Whip Eric Cantor said in a statement the Democrats' plan is a "non-starter, and is completely contrary to the discussions that we had with the President yesterday at the White House. This is nothing more than political chicanery and undermines the President's ongoing discussions and efforts on tax rates."

    Cantor said the tax cuts should be extended for everyone.

    "We call on Speaker Pelosi and President Obama to stop the gimmicks and allow all members of the House – Republican and Democrat – to vote on legislation that would prevent tax increases for every American, "he said.

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    The super rich DON'T SPEND MONEY...that's why they're super rich...it's the middle to lower class that boosts the economy...they're the ones who need help...

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    I would have the vote and then let the GOP deal with the PR mess when the middle incomers taxes increase. The dems could easily make the republicans look bad. I know the GOP thinks it has leverage now but they don't.. so let them hang themselves.

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    I wish the Democrats would show some ing spine and let the tax cuts expire. The GOP will continue to push them until they fight back.
    I agree. When everyone's taxes increase I would remind the public that the GOP voted against them.. easy peasy..

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    "We call on Speaker Pelosi and President Obama to stop the gimmicks and allow all members of the House – Republican and Democrat – to vote on legislation that would prevent tax increases for every American, "he said.
    The easier, non-political solution is to vote on each (>$250K and <$250K) separately. Right? Is there an argument against this that does not involve political gamesmanship?

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    Since when is Steny Hoyer the House Majority leader?

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    I agree. When everyone's taxes increase I would remind the public that the GOP voted against them.. easy peasy..
    You really are simple minded. As soon as this lame duck house gets replaced the Republicans would vote to reinstate the tax cuts retroactive to the first of the year and the American people would know EXACTLY who did or didn't extend their tax cuts.

    Democrats are bluffing with a pair of 2's.

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    Since when is Steny Hoyer the House Majority leader?
    For like 3 years now at least. House Majority leader is not the same position as Speaker which is why you might be confused.

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    Will you PLEASE resize your ing sig pics and quit blowing the margins?
    son, show some damn respect. the beauties deserve to be seen in all their humongous glory.

    we are likely headed for an extensions for all, with rich for only 2 yrs. at least thats the only thing they compromise on

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    You really are simple minded. As soon as this lame duck house gets replaced the Republicans would vote to reinstate the tax cuts retroactive to the first of the year and the American people would know EXACTLY who did or didn't extend their tax cuts.

    Democrats are bluffing with a pair of 2's.
    So the Republicans are playing politics.....shocking

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