Dirk Nowitzki is still the best player in the league

[Ace]

You win HO.... Congrats on being the class act you are.


It's been fun guys.... Enjoyed the bantar with one and all and even you Ho . But thats a line that should never have been crossed.

I'm outta here. Good luck to all your teams in the future and go Lakers!

[DAF86]

Bonner > Dirk

[YoungB]

Bonner > Dirk

at sucking ? billiards? enlighten us, manu fan

[cobbler]

Wow! You even searched it out HH/Chris/Ace. Job well done! And as you can see, no mention of leaving forever or any such time frame as others have insinuated. Thanks for pointing that out.

[cobbler]

Hey Ace! Do you have a difficult time keeping your alter ego storylines coordinated? Just curious is all. I have noticed that you have welched with all of them so obviously certain charastistics are harder to hide than others.

[DAF86]

at sucking ? billiards? enlighten us, manu fan

At beating the out of the Hornets.

[Ace]

Wow! You even searched it out HH/Chris/Ace. Job well done! And as you can see, no mention of leaving forever or any such time frame as others have insinuated. Thanks for pointing that out.

Massive ass pain in that post, tbh

[HarlemHeat37]

How has Ace "welched" on any bets?..

Enlighten me..

[frodo]

At beating the out of the Hornets.

at having a bald spot on head.

[DAF86]

at having a bald spot on head.

A red haired one.

[Roddy Beaubois]

tbh just that DAF mentioned a player on the Spurs that isn't Manu is an improvement for him.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

9 straight, but yet 0 rings.

[Roddy Beaubois]

9 straight, but yet 0 rings.

This was established in the first two post tbh. We're now on page 7.

[Agloco]

This was established in the first two post tbh. We're now on page 7.

Don't whine over a ing reminder then as you dumbass Mavfans go on and on about being the best team in the league right now.

No rings, and it stings. Carry on.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Don't whine over a ing reminder then as you dumbass Mavfans go on and on about being the best team in the league right now.

at this sentence.

random foreign spurfan with the goods.

[Jacob1983]

Love or hate the Mavs, can't we agree that the Mavs are playing a lot better this season than what people expected?

[YoungB]

No rings, and it stings.

Hey man, have you ever considered a career as a rapper?

[DesignatedT]

Love or hate the Mavs, can't we agree that the Mavs are playing a lot better this season than what people expected?

Negative. Everyone knows they are the kings of the regular season. Problem is that's as far as it goes.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Negative. Everyone knows they are the kings of the regular season. Problem is that's as far as it goes.

Everyone also knows they are capable of kicking the spurs ass in the playoffs.

[midnightpulp]

Mavs are playing great, playoff style basketball, and Dirk is the MVP right now.

[TE]

Yeah Mavs are the best team right now, but they can easily be beaten. Dirk is the best player right now at this moment, but that'll change.

[Fpoonsie]

Yeah Mavs are the best team right now, but they can easily be beaten. Dirk is the best player right now at this moment, but that'll change.

...except by us, at home, right?

[Mike-in-brazil]

Fine, but you're ignoring why Bryant get's a lot of those and it's in large part attributed to his status in the game. You're just lumping them into the same sentence or category basically and they shouldn't be. You can bring up all the stats you want that suggest Nowitzki is closer to him historically than he's given credit for, but the fact is Bryant is viewed as one of the best ever (10-15). Nowitzki is not viewed as one of the 30 best ever. Big difference.

You got to love this board, though. The vast majority are Spurs fans, followed by probably Lakers fans. Yet of all the players that are talked about ad nauseam and criticized, the one you can't say a thing about (unless you're incessantly slobbering, that is) is Nowitzki. I could rip Jordan, Duncan, you name it and at least a few would join in. But if I were to say a single unflattering thing about Nowitzki, within' minutes the thread would be filled with "butthurt" fans.

good point TD,but if we were to rip mj.or duncan..u might get banned lol
how dare thee LOL...they are pure and classy guys who are perfect and got everything on their own with no help...lol

true most top players in the game get plenty of phantom calls,but depending on which player u dislike..
that one would seem to get the most( being that you root againts him and his team) ..

this is SPURStalk...not amazing dirk,,,kobe...gets slammed on here at times daily...this is nba section ..
you even have fans that took the time out to create sigs and avvys to attemp...

[Killakobe81]

I didn't want to extend the argument, but I guess I will have to..

- First of all, the "swinging arm" motion is overplayed..it happens what, once a game?..the fact that Kobe and Durant have established this "motion" just adds to the phantom fouls they receive..refs now assume that it's always a foul when they try it, and a lot of the time, it isn't..if anybody watched the Lakers vs. Grizzlies game, the first offensive possession for the Lakers was Kobe doing his "swinging arm motion" on Xavier Henry, Henry got 100% ball, yet the ref gave Kobe the instant whistle, just assuming he got fouled, which happens very often..

Nowitzki's height and the way he shoots gives him just as much of an advantage at drawing free throws..I would say defenders are much more likely to hit him on the wrist or the hands in an attempt to contest the shot, since it's so difficult to defend against, from a stylistic standpoint..

- Gobbler's argument about coming off screens is false..Kobe has drawn 0% of his free throw attempts coming off screens this season..

In fact, looking into it, it further proves the difference..

29% of Kobe's offense comes in 1 on 1 situations..he draws fouls on 13% of his iso possessions, most of them jump shots, the highest % of fouls drawn of any of his situational possessions..

Nowitzki only draws 7% of his fouls in iso situations, and spends significantly less time running iso plays for jump shots..


The majority of Nowitzki's FTs actually come in post-up situations..this season, posting up has been Dirk's main offensive weapon..24% of his offense has come in post-ups, and he draws fouls on 14% of them, the 2nd highest amount of any situational possession, other than cutting in the paint..



Both guys have had a similar amount of their offense come from cutting to the basket..Kobe only draws fouls on 8% of his cuts in the paint, while Dirk draws free throws on 17% of his cuts in the paint..


Both guys have had a similar amount of their offense come from offensive rebounds(only 2%), yet Dirk draws free throws on 20% of them in the paint, while Kobe's is 14%..

Looking at the numbers, it's pretty evident that Nowitzki draws a lot more fouls in the paint, which is generally where fouls are drawn, obviously..

- My point wasn't necessarily that you have to compare them in a heads-up argument..it's not as easy to compare them due to the difference in usage..

However, when you look at peak years and compare Kobe to other high-usage players like Lebron and Wade, it's pretty amazing to see how many fouls Kobe draws from jump shots, compared to those guys that have to work primarily in the paint for their free throws..

Kobe is the gold standard for touch fouls and phantom fouls on jump shots..

You wrote all of this, when you could of just put in the last paragraph and the last sentence ...none of what you wrote changes the fact that
Kobe only gets a few more Ft's despite taking more shots ...going back to peak years changes the argument ...At first, it ws who gets the most calls so that would make it currently. If you want to go "historic" o over the course of their carreers ...peak years come in to play. But the OP was about dirk's current status in the NBA ...

If you wanted to prove your point show someone who takes as many shots as Kobe but also takes the majority of them as jumpshots ...and then you would have an apples to apples ....