A&M to Cotton bowl

[Thompson]

To be fair, Gray's 200+ yards against Texas are inflating his average. Michael had to run against the relative powerhouses Louisiana Tech and Stephen F. Austin.

[Blake]

Jerrod Johnson not throwing 5 interceptions a game has also been pretty helpful in turning the season around (he had like 10 turnovers in those 3 losses).

in the Okie State game, definitely all on Jerrod, imo.

Gray has been essential to taking pressure of Tannehill, but our running game was still strong when he was splitting time with Michael.

against FIU, LA Tech and SFA? yeah.

Gray's impact has been important, but the lack of dumbass turnovers is the bigger reason we won 6 straight.

in the Arkie game, Fuller fumbled, Michael fumbled and Jerrod fumbled. JJ's one INT was a desperation at the, end iirc.....so basically 2 turnovers.

in the Mizzou game, JJ threw for 322 1 TD and no turnovers. Michael ran 14 for a mediocre 52.


Gray is unquestionably A&M's MVP, imo.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

A&M's MVP would have to be the return of the Wrecking Crew.

[DesignatedT]

having to have a Tech fan spell out your team for you

you sure do know a lot about our team but you still fail.

No doubt Gray has been a key component in our resurgence this season but that isn't what put our team "over the top". You can compare stats all day but Michael is just as good if not a better runner than Gray and our running game has been strong all season long. 1) Tannehill has had a huge impact on this team with his smart play and accuracy with the ball that Jerrod did not have and the difference in turnovers shows that. Jerrod was flat out terrible this year and as much as it pains me to say that, he really was. Tannehill deserves as much credit as anyone for putting this team over the top. 2) The biggest part of our turnaround is the overall improvement of our offensive line who have made HUGE strides as the year has progressed. We have 2 true freshman that start on our O-line along with 2 freshman tight ends who play as well. This has been the key part to our offensive improvement (which has showed in Gray's stats)..... What I am trying to say here is that if Gray and Michael had switched places and Gray was the one who got hurt... Michael would be averaging the same amount of yards that Gray is now, that is how good both of these backs are... and they are both coming back next season. (Gray is the better receiving back).

Obviously our defense deserves more credit than anyone but these things have been the main components for our offensive success from the beginning of the year to now.

So please, stop acting like you know anything about Aggie football because you look at the box score and go get ready for the ticketcity bowl.

[DesignatedT]

in the Okie State game, definitely all on Jerrod, imo.



against FIU, LA Tech and SFA? yeah.



in the Arkie game, Fuller fumbled, Michael fumbled and Jerrod fumbled. JJ's one INT was a desperation at the, end iirc.....so basically 2 turnovers.

in the Mizzou game, JJ threw for 322 1 TD and no turnovers. Michael ran 14 for a mediocre 52.


Gray is unquestionably A&M's MVP, imo.

JJ was 15/40 throwing in the Arkansas game (37%). Terrible.

Wrong. By far our Defense and improved O-line have been our best units this season. Gray is a fantastic back but no back can do it without an offensive line.

[DesignatedT]

To be fair, Gray's 200+ yards against Texas are inflating his average. Michael had to run against the relative powerhouses Louisiana Tech and Stephen F. Austin.

Not sure where your going with this but you should know the huge difference in our offensive line against SFA and then against Texas. The improvement is simply indescribable. Night and Day.

[Blake]

A&M's MVP would have to be the return of the Wrecking Crew.

when did they return?

[Thompson]

Not sure where your going with this but you should know the huge difference in our offensive line against SFA and then against Texas. The improvement is simply indescribable. Night and Day.

I was joking that compared to Texas, SFA and Louisiana Tech are powerhouses. I should have used an emoticon I guess, but I kinda hate those things.

[DesignatedT]

I was joking that compared to Texas, SFA and Louisiana Tech are powerhouses. I should have used an emoticon I guess, but I kinda hate those things.

Haha I should have known

[Blake]

you sure do know a lot about our team but you still fail.

I know more than you about your own team.

In desperation, you are trying to reach for the fail card.

That's a shame.

You can compare stats all day but Michael is just as good if not a better runner than Gray and our running game has been strong all season long.

as good if not better?

Please share how you know Michael is as good if not better without using stats.

1) Tannehill has had a huge impact on this team with his smart play and accuracy with the ball that Jerrod did not have and the difference in turnovers shows that.

Tannehill had a few turnovers early on, and was only 14-30 for 100+ against UT. Not exactly a difference maker.

What I am trying to say here is that if Gray and Michael had switched places and Gray was the one who got hurt... Michael would be averaging the same amount of yards that Gray is now.

Prove it.

Obviously our defense deserves more credit than anyone but these things have been the main components for our offensive success from the beginning of the year to now.

The defense as a whole, meh.

If you want to give the mvp to Von Miller, I have no issue with that......the dude is sick.

So please, stop acting like you know anything about Aggie football because you look at the box score and go get ready for the ticketcity bowl.

I know more than you because I do look at the box score.

Pathetic that an Aggie fan is getting burned alive on facts about his own team.

[Blake]

Haha I should have known

haha, but you didn't.

[DesignatedT]

I know more than you about your own team.

In desperation, you are trying to reach for the fail card.

That's a shame.



as good if not better?

Please share how you know Michael is as good if not better without using stats.




Tannehill had a few turnovers early on, and was only 14-30 for 100+ against UT. Not exactly a difference maker.



Prove it.



The defense as a whole, meh.

If you want to give the mvp to Von Miller, I have no issue with that......the dude is sick.



I know more than you because I do look at the box score.

Pathetic that an Aggie fan is getting burned alive on facts about his own team.

Wow, you have provided absolutely nothing here except "prove it". nice job.

I am reaching for the fail card out of desperation? lmao

Everyone who watches Aggie football regularly knows what Christine is capable of... obviously you don't.

You're missing the whole point with Tannehill. Again, you are just looking at the box score and the things that Tannehill has brought to this team are not going to show up there.

Prove it?

You continue to show your ignorance on the topic. Our defense as a whole is meh, but you would give the mvp to von miller? Yes, Von is our most talented player on our whole roster. Yes, he is a leader of this defense. Yes, he will be a first round draft pick in the NFL and Yes, you know him because he gets the most publicity... but what you don't know is that Michael Hodges has been a huge part of this defense and means just as much to our D as Von does. Hodges leads the team with 111 tackles.

I find the last part of your post pretty amusing tbh. Little frustrated eh?

[DesignatedT]

haha, but you didn't.

?

[Blake]

Wow, you have provided absolutely nothing here except "prove it". nice job.

wow, I put it right in front of your face and you missed it.

bad job.

I am reaching for the fail card out of desperation? lmao

yes you are

Everyone who watches Aggie football regularly knows what Christine is capable of... obviously you don't.

I know Christine is very good.....as good as any RB in the Big XII.

I know Gray has Heisman potential and is better than Michael.

You're missing the whole point with Tannehill. Again, you are just looking at the box score and the things that Tannehill has brought to this team are not going to show up there.

I know Tannehill has brought some stability and doesn't make many mistakes.

The difference between JJ and RT is not as great as people make out, imo.

Prove it?

Yes, you made a pretty direct statement about how Michael would be as good if not better had he been healthy.

Please prove it.

You continue to show your ignorance on the topic. Our defense as a whole is meh, but you would give the mvp to von miller? Yes, Von is our most talented player on our whole roster. Yes, he is a leader of this defense. Yes, he will be a first round draft pick in the NFL and Yes, you know him because he gets the most publicity... but what you don't know is that Michael Hodges has been a huge part of this defense and means just as much to our D as Von does. Hodges leads the team with 111 tackles.

The real "Wrecking Crew" was never the 51st best in total defense at the end of the regular season. They aren't even better than Mizzou's.

lol at you showing your ignorance in thinking my posts are ignorant.

I find the last part of your post pretty amusing tbh. Little frustrated eh?

I don't get frustrated on a silly message board.

I find your posts highly amusing.

Can't wait for you to explain how you know Michael would be as good if not better than Gray has been.

[Blake]

?

you not catching the sarcasm was

you not catching why I'm is

[DesignatedT]

I know Christine is very good.....as good as any RB in the Big XII.

I know Gray has Heisman potential and is better than Michael.

They are both great backs.

I know Tannehill has brought some stability and doesn't make many mistakes.

The difference between JJ and RT is not as great as people make out, imo.

This statement alone solidifies that you haven't seen all our games.

Also, Tannehll 6-0, JJ 3-3. Pretty big difference.

Yes, you made a pretty direct statement about how Michael would be as good if not better had he been healthy.

Please prove it.

I know that last season Michael put up some similar #'s to what Gray is this season under a much worse offensive line and overall team, not to mention that we ended up playing from behind a lot of the time.

Do you disagree that our Offensive Line has steadily improved game by game and that this O-line is much better than what we had last season or do you have no idea?

Gray and Michael are equally as good and either would flourish when getting 20+ carries a game.

The real "Wrecking Crew" was never the 51st best in total defense at the end of the regular season. They aren't even better than Mizzou's.

lol at you showing your ignorance in thinking my posts are ignorant.

When did I say anything about "Wrecking Crew" genius. I never once brought up that le. Was simply stating that the only thing you actually know about our defense is "Von Miller" (which is understandable since you only look at box scores and highlights) and that this season it was actually Michael Hodges who was our best defensive player during long stretches... especially when Von was battling an ankle injury.


I love how enthusiastic you are about Aggie football though, I guess we are back on the map

[DesignatedT]

Flashback to the week after Missouri.

Do I think that if we kept JJ starting we would have gone 6-0 from there on out? Absolutely not, 3-3 at best.

Do I think that if we had Tannehill and Michael instead of Gray that we would have gone 6-0 from there on out. Yes, I do believe that and I'm not knocking Cyrus, I just think that Christine is just as good and our O-Line was fantastic to end the year.

[Blake]

This statement alone solidifies that you haven't seen all our games.

Also, Tannehll 6-0, JJ 3-3. Pretty big difference.

This statement means you haven't read all of the Vince young threads in the NFL forum.

I know that last season Michael put up some similar #'s to what Gray is this season under a much worse offensive line and overall team

2010 Cyrus Gray 180 att 1033 yds 5.7 ypc 12 tds
2009 Christine Michael 166 att 844 yds 5.1 ypc 10 tds

Do you disagree that our Offensive Line has steadily improved game by game and that this O-line is much better than what we had last season or do you have no idea?

I don't know that they've improved drastically as you are implying here.

of course, you also said the running game has been strong all season long.

which is it? If it's that the O-line has improved that much, then explain exactly how they have.

Gray and Michael are equally as good and either would flourish when getting 20+ carries a game.

So you don't have any proof of such. I didn't think so.

lol at you calling someone else ignorant.

When did I say anything about "Wrecking Crew" genius. I never once brought up that le.

You didn't, dumb . Someone else brought up the le and I used it again.

At least we both agree that there is no "Wrecking Crew" just yet.

Was simply stating that the only thing you actually know about our defense is "Von Miller" (which is understandable since you only look at box scores and highlights) and that this season it was actually Michael Hodges who was our best defensive player during long stretches... especially when Von was battling an ankle injury.

Is Hodges better than Miller?

I love how enthusiastic you are about Aggie football though, I guess we are back on the map

I'm enthusiastic about Big XII football.

You guess? Apparently you don't look at the map much.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

when did they [Wrecking Crew] return?

Ask OU, who got shut out in the first half of our game with them, and ran into a brick wall 3 different times inside the 5 yardline.

Or ask Nebraska, who never even sniffed the endzone against us.

Or you could just consult y'all's own RB who got hit so hard he coughed up the ball mere inches from scoring against A&M, and turned the tide of that game in our favor.

[Blake]

Ask OU, who got shut out in the first half of our game with them, and ran into a brick wall 3 different times inside the 5 yardline.

Or ask Nebraska, who never even sniffed the endzone against us.

Or you could just consult y'all's own RB who got hit so hard he coughed up the ball mere inches from scoring against A&M, and turned the tide of that game in our favor.

maybe I'll ask Mizzou who lit up A&M but got stuffed by a sorry Tech defense.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

maybe I'll ask Mizzou who lit up A&M but got stuffed by a sorry Tech defense.

As I said in an earlier post, the offense put the defense in so many terrible positions with ty possessions that when the D needed to step up, they were already gassed. Not to take anything away from Mizzou, though--their offense was on point that game, but that was probably the worst game of the year as far as one unit (the offense) letting down another (the defense).

Also, the Mizzou game was ONE game--I cited three.

[Blake]

Also, the Mizzou game was ONE game--I cited three.

Cite them all and it puts A&M at about the 50th best defense in the country, about 4th best in the Big XII.

Is that how you define Wrecking Crew?

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Cite them all and it puts A&M at about the 50th best defense in the country, about 4th best in the Big XII.

Is that how you define Wrecking Crew?

I define Wrecking Crew as more than stats--it's a state of mind for the unit. No matter how the game has gone, they're not gonna roll over; instead they've risen to the occasion time and again. If you watched the texas game, even the texas fans around us didn't feel comfortable if it came down to a chest match with our defense if it came down to the wire (which is why many of them left before Von Miller's game-sealing interception).

Aggies who refuse to acknowledge this defense as the Wrecking Crew rely on stats. Comparing this iteration of the defense to the original WC is night and day, not to mention unfair to both groups. The original WC played in a more ground-based offensive era. Due to rule changes and mindset changes, there's more air-it-out style offenses in college football today than in any other era, and the Big 12 is no exception (you as a tech fan should know this better than anybody). There simply isn't going to be another defense that outscores the offense--it's not possible now, and more importantly, would not have been possible had the original WC played in the modern era.

A prime example of how this defense, in fact, IS the Wrecking Crew is the game against Baylor this season. They were facing an offense with a juggernaut at the controls the likes of which the original Wrecking Crew had never seen in Robert Griffin III, not to mention a resurgent team on the road with everything to play for and a home crowd out for blood. Got hit right in the mouth in the first half with RG3 doing as he pleased, and going into the half, everyone in attendance rightfully assumed it would be an offensive shootout. However, when the game was on the line in the second half, the defense left that same offense battered, bruised, and scoreless, with the fleet-footed RG3 limping off the field.

It's unrealistic and unfair to expect the Aggie defense to be ranked #1 in conference week in and week out to be called the "real" Wrecking Crew, whatever that arbitrary shifting target is. Even the original WC had their off games, and I know for a fact they weren't ALWAYS #1. Like I said earlier, it's not about stats, it's about the defenses belief in itself, and the fans' belief in the defense, that when it matters most, the unit will get the job done.

[BUMP]

LSU was definitely the best draw for A&M. I think they could definitely beat them.

Alabama or Arkansas wouldn't roll them but would probably beat them pretty handily. LSU is fool's gold it seems like. They could easily have 3 or 4 more losses if not for those goofy Les Miles trick plays leading to wild finishes

[Blake]

I define Wrecking Crew as more than stats--it's a state of mind for the unit. No matter how the game has gone, they're not gonna roll over; instead they've risen to the occasion time and again. If you watched the texas game, even the texas fans around us didn't feel comfortable if it came down to a chest match with our defense if it came down to the wire (which is why many of them left before Von Miller's game-sealing interception).

Aggies who refuse to acknowledge this defense as the Wrecking Crew rely on stats. Comparing this iteration of the defense to the original WC is night and day, not to mention unfair to both groups. The original WC played in a more ground-based offensive era. Due to rule changes and mindset changes, there's more air-it-out style offenses in college football today than in any other era, and the Big 12 is no exception (you as a tech fan should know this better than anybody). There simply isn't going to be another defense that outscores the offense--it's not possible now, and more importantly, would not have been possible had the original WC played in the modern era.

A prime example of how this defense, in fact, IS the Wrecking Crew is the game against Baylor this season. They were facing an offense with a juggernaut at the controls the likes of which the original Wrecking Crew had never seen in Robert Griffin III, not to mention a resurgent team on the road with everything to play for and a home crowd out for blood. Got hit right in the mouth in the first half with RG3 doing as he pleased, and going into the half, everyone in attendance rightfully assumed it would be an offensive shootout. However, when the game was on the line in the second half, the defense left that same offense battered, bruised, and scoreless, with the fleet-footed RG3 limping off the field.

It's unrealistic and unfair to expect the Aggie defense to be ranked #1 in conference week in and week out to be called the "real" Wrecking Crew, whatever that arbitrary shifting target is. Even the original WC had their off games, and I know for a fact they weren't ALWAYS #1. Like I said earlier, it's not about stats, it's about the defenses belief in itself, and the fans' belief in the defense, that when it matters most, the unit will get the job done.

so you basically made up your own definition.

figured.