Ted Turner, father of five, wants one child policy

[TeyshaBlue]

These arguments are very similar to the unemployment arguments wherein it's just so much easier to collect unemployment than to work...which is true if you don't want to eat much or pay bills.

[LnGrrrR]

I can tell you for a fact, since I currently have a dead beat step daughter trying to milk the program, it don't hit anywhere near 25k a year. And housing subsidies are independent of whether or not there's a kid in the mix, so you can chunk that little bit out of the mix.

Tell the truth Teysha; your dead beat step daughter just bought a new Hummer with her gov't stipend this month, didn't she?

[Blake]

Tell the truth Teysha; your dead beat step daughter just bought a new Hummer with her gov't stipend this month, didn't she?

that hummer looks great around her slushee

[TeyshaBlue]

Tell the truth Teysha; your dead beat step daughter just bought a new Hummer with her gov't stipend this month, didn't she?

in' Caddy.

[LnGrrrR]

These arguments are very similar to the unemployment arguments wherein it's just so much easier to collect unemployment than to work...which is true if you don't want to eat much or pay bills.

Again Teysha, this is more nonsense. Surely you know that with Obama in office, someone who's unemployed with three children is living the high life, renting out high-rise Manhattan apartments as they sip on their mojitos while their children watch German fetish porn.

And don't even start me up on the lavish stuff you can purchase if you're disabled!

[TeyshaBlue]

Again Teysha, this is more nonsense. Surely you know that with Obama in office, someone who's unemployed with three children is living the high life, renting out high-rise Manhattan apartments as they sip on their mojitos while their children watch German fetish porn.

And don't even start me up on the lavish stuff you can purchase if you're disabled!

Manhattan apartments, mojitos, German fetish porn?

Dude, I do not want to see your browser cache.

[MannyIsGod]

^^^ !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wild Cobra]

You think that most of those people you see are having babies for financial reasons?

You guys make me SMH.

Some do have babies for money. Even those who don't, shouldn't be rewarded with government handouts. If they cannot afford the child, they can let someone adopt the child who can.

[Wild Cobra]

There are a variety of factors including sexual pressure, ignorance of sexual education, and socio economic situations but there is basically no evidence to support any theory that teen pregnancy is caused in anyway by a desire to get more welfare money.

Say what you will, but i have talked to women that know all about the scheme. You see, they get a very healthy payment, at least here in Oregon, and section 8 housing, if they have a child 3 years old or less. They get pushed off the better aid when the child is more than 3. these women purposely have children every three years to stay on a system to live in a nice house at tax payer expenses.

It happens. I know this as fact.

[Wild Cobra]

I agree that there is real moral hazard to "incentivising" having babies. However, if we didn't provide for the mom, then these kids are screwed. If our society can help, should we? Perhaps we should just have everyone on welfare with children annually revisited to make sure they are taking care of the necessities of thier child/ren, or else the child is placed in foster care.

The two biggest problems I see with fixing the system are causing issues for the innocent kids, and too much of "big brother" stepping in to determine how one raises thier children. (Then again, if you're getting helped by the government, having to abide by gov guidelines isn't too bad.)

Those kids grow up pretty ed up as it is. Most don't have any good role models in their lives. these are the kids who end up more often than not, being troublemakers in society.

[LnGrrrR]

Those kids grow up pretty ed up as it is. Most don't have any good role models in their lives. these are the kids who end up more often than not, being troublemakers in society.

Perhaps; I would say the parents who are out there that have babies to exploit a system are probably poor role models. (I think we disagree on the prevalence of these types, but without facts on either side it's just personal opinion.)

[LnGrrrR]

Frankly, it amazes me that any American would even suggest a "one-child" policy. It's one of those things that, to my mind, is as anti-American as they come. The government deciding whether or not you can procreate? Uh, yeah, no thanks.

[Wild Cobra]

Perhaps; I would say the parents who are out there that have babies to exploit a system are probably poor role models. (I think we disagree on the prevalence of these types, but without facts on either side it's just personal opinion.)

I've seen first hand.

I want to also say, any of you men out there who have children.. take care of them well. Don't be an absent father. Stay in their lives daily.

[Wild Cobra]

Frankly, it amazes me that any American would even suggest a "one-child" policy. It's one of those things that, to my mind, is as anti-American as they come. The government deciding whether or not you can procreate? Uh, yeah, no thanks.

Welcome to another ed up agenda of the authoritarian left.

[LnGrrrR]

Stay in their lives daily.

Barring deployment, I plan to.

[Wild Cobra]

Barring deployment, I plan to.

Oh god...

The first time I was deployed after my wife and I had a child, my first daughter was about 3 months old. She didn't know me when I got back! It was only a 30 day training exercise too. I really feel for those who actually get deployed.

[LnGrrrR]

Oh god...

The first time I was deployed after my wife and I had a child, my first daughter was about 3 months old. She didn't know me when I got back! It was only a 30 day training exercise too. I really feel for those who actually get deployed.

I expect I'll be gone next Christmas (per deployment cycle) so I'm trying to enjoy this one.

[SnakeBoy]

One way or another.

More like one way and another. Most people think of big events like natural catastrophes, pandemics, war, mass starvation, etc. but I think it will be the little things that people tend to overlook that end up limiting our population growth...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...lth-infections

[Drachen]

You think those teenagers really put a pen to it?

Whats your point?

I know it's stupid for them to get pregnant for the "money". So do you.

Apparently they don't.

I think you are being inconsistent with the credit you are giving teenagers. On one hand you are saying that they are smart enough to make a long term plan that says "If I get pregnant, then after the baby is born, I will begin "earning" 25k a year, which can get me out of this house, into my own place, etc.....". On the other hand you are saying that teens are too stupid to think ahead (like about diapers and everything).

People make ridiculously idiotic decisions. Teens due to their lack of experience and education are probably more susceptible than adults. When I was 18, I was accepted to 3 very reputable schools with scholarships ranging from half to full. I turned them all down because I was "in love." (I know, extremely stupid, and I have been hit many times, by friends of mine who are girls, for making such a universally bad decision). Now that wasn't a baby, but the example is very easily relate-able. Teens have babies because they are morons. I was a moron, you were a moron, everyone was a moron, who, by the way, thought that they were intellectually superior to everyone (that we knew everything). Upbringing, education, etc can alter the degree of idiocy, but can never erase it. I don't have a specific plan as to how to educate these kids and maybe these pregnancy shows are a good thing (I abhor the idea of them).

[frodo]

I think you are being inconsistent with the credit you are giving teenagers. On one hand you are saying that they are smart enough to make a long term plan that says "If I get pregnant, then after the baby is born, I will begin "earning" 25k a year, which can get me out of this house, into my own place, etc.....". On the other hand you are saying that teens are too stupid to think ahead (like about diapers and everything).

People make ridiculously idiotic decisions. Teens due to their lack of experience and education are probably more susceptible than adults. When I was 18, I was accepted to 3 very reputable schools with scholarships ranging from half to full. I turned them all down because I was "in love." (I know, extremely stupid, and I have been hit many times, by friends of mine who are girls, for making such a universally bad decision). Now that wasn't a baby, but the example is very easily relate-able. Teens have babies because they are morons. I was a moron, you were a moron, everyone was a moron, who, by the way, thought that they were intellectually superior to everyone (that we knew everything). Upbringing, education, etc can alter the degree of idiocy, but can never erase it. I don't have a specific plan as to how to educate these kids and maybe these pregnancy shows are a good thing (I abhor the idea of them).

you were indeed a moron if you chose not to pounce on the loophole. only immigrants are privileged for free school and you got some damn good luck to get a few such offers, while the general tuition for local students have been skyrocketing. one thing u didn't realize at the time was that american girls are all somewhat of s and can never really get "in love". a college degree from a reputed school would have earned you a wider/nicer range of females to choose from. american girls get everything done quick, they fall in love quick and the love will fade soon.

you were jsut too desperate for a citizenship at that time imo. being married to an american woman you can easily get a citizenship you've long been craving, at least much easier than other ways like joining the army etc... you would remain an immigrant the four years of school time and you wouldn't even get it any time soon after graduation, while a marriage would gain you what you craved naturally and immediately. you got impeded by urgency more than idiocy imo.

[CuckingFunt]

i dont get it.

is it that hard to understand how babies are made? really? how can you know how to stimulate the clit but not know what the whole contraption is for?

Implying that everyone knows how to stimulate the clit?

Or that the clit is, in any way, involved in conception?

[CuckingFunt]

drunks dont have the option to sober up before they start driving.

Um?

[CuckingFunt]

Some do have babies for money.

They told you?

[CuckingFunt]

I'm surprised that no one has yet brought up the obviously racist agenda in Turner's suggestion, in which the selling of birth rights will necessarily lead to more rich white babies and less poor brown ones.

Eco-eugenics as the path to voluntary long-term genocide. Yippee!!

[Drachen]

I'm surprised that no one has yet brought up the obviously racist agenda in Turner's suggestion, in which the selling of birth rights will necessarily lead to more rich white babies and less poor brown ones.

Eco-eugenics as the path to voluntary long-term genocide. Yippee!!

Cucking, I think that you may have taken it a little too far. Who is most likely to decide not to have children? I don't have any data on this, but I would assume that the more educated a couple is, the more likely they are to decide not to have children. This seems like such a stretch that I have to ask: do you have some preconceived notion of Ted Turner being racist? Did he say something in the past to indicate this? (serious honest question)
(/serious)

I mean cmon, his hero wasn't white, his hero-team had an asian, a black person, a girl, and a brown person. The minorities out numbered the white guys (one of which was the villain).