Sweet!!
Didn't see this posted... though I remember a similar article that did a ranking for all-time players... This year's record will certainly boost both Duncan's, Parker's and Ginobili's hard-earned numbers... These guys just play to win.
No offense to the OP, but those stats are kind of dumb, especially since the Spurs players have overlapping careers on the same team.
Tony Parker has the best Playoff winning percentage of those players listed @ .695.
Manu has the best Regular Season winning percentage @ .716 and that is what puts him higher than Parker on the combined totals.
I can't make the slideshow work, what's the ranking?
It's a manual lide show. See "next" and "previous" buttons top right corner. If a pop-up appears just refresh the screen.
for those who are having trouble its
1. manu
2. parker
3. timmy
4. shaq
5. kobe
6. fisher
7. dirk
8. nash
9. lebron
10. amare
this is all just current players - i'd be interested to see how they rank all-time.
nice read.
what about the numbers? and yeah the slide won't work for me... not even manual.
This confirms the status of Manu as the winningest player as well as the smartest player in all of Hoopsworld!!!!
Manu rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn that's ign amazing
ROFL amare can eat a
Can't get the site to work
imagine how many championships philjax would've won with these guys.
You do realize that Ginobili being first is due in large part to Duncan, right? Ginobili, like Parker, got to join an established, elite team from day one and play with the best player in the world.
Like greyforest, I'd like to see all-time winning percentages and all-time total wins.
Bill Simmons took a look at this subject back in May, 2009:
Q: The NBA should start keeping track of players' winning percentages. Wouldn't this give us at least a decent idea for who are the biggest "winners" in not just basketball but in all sports?
-- Stephen, Baltimore
SG: Very cool idea. I brought out the heavy hitters for this one (Steve Hirdt and the Elias Sports Bureau) and asked them to check the following 14 guys. Here's what they found.
ALL-TIME PLAYER WINNING PERCENTAGES
PLAYER REG. SEASON PLAYOFFS
Larry Bird .736 .604
Manu Ginobili .724 .654
Sam Jones .718 .649
Bill Russell .717 .648
Tony Parker .716 .615
Tim Duncan .712 .631
Scottie Pippen .688 .654
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar .688 .650
Magic Johnson .674 .740
Shaquille O'Neal .672 .601
Robert Horry .671 .635
Michael Jordan .659 .665
Bob Cousy .655 .578
Jerry West .638 .569
Some follow-up thoughts: First, the Legend! Second, the playoff numbers for the post-merger guys are skewed because there were extra rounds (and easier matchups). Russell's .649 playoff percentage would be like a .725 under today's setup. Third, nobody did more with less than Duncan, and his performance from 2001-03 becomes more remarkable with time; he won 203 games, two MVPs and an NBA le playing with role players, has-beens, castoffs and young guys who weren't quite ready. Incredible. Fourth, Robert Horry's career is going to be studied for months by John Hollinger's perplexed great-great-great-great-grandchildren in the 2100s, and ultimately they're going to throw their hands up, shake their heads and move on to a topic that actually makes sense. And fifth, the Legend!
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...2&sportCat=nba
Now that you bring this to my attention, I do remember reading this at the time. Forgot about it, though.
But it doesn't have total wins. I'd like to see where Duncan ranks on the all-time in regular season, playoff and combined regular season and playoff wins.
Simmons is right. The average fan has this idea that Duncan has always had a lot of help, but it's just not true. He was just so great that he was able to make this team better than it should have been for a long time.
B-R lets you search back to 1986 for the regular season and 1991 for the playoffs:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...=&order_by=pts
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...=&order_by=pts
The Spurs do better when all three play (obvious)... The impact of having lost Manu to stress fractures and the such hurt Duncan's and Parker's percentages... and vice versa...
In the end though, Manu's heart, all-out-style and his will to win are reflected on the scoreboard... and hence the phenomenal winning percentage...
So pretty much Manu and Tony have been just lucky to play with Duncan.......interesting...poor scrubs, without Tim are nothing.
I absolutely love what Manu brings to the game, but his phenomenal winning percentage is overwhelmingly the result of being a teammate of Tim Duncan for his entire career.
People would be stupid not to include that as a primary factor...
that said...
Ginobili has been doing his thing in every league he's played in... at every level... on every team he's been on...
He's the consumate compe or.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 01-14-2011 at 12:59 AM.
As I said, I fully appreciate what Manu brings to every game he plays, but Duncan would be near the top of this list without Manu. The reverse.....
Ginobili is smart enough to know how to get the best from his teammates... he knew that Duncan was the team's bread and butter and played to that strength [and we should all be thankful Pop's the guy who can keep it all turning... due mostly to the at udes of the big three... and Duncan's selflessness...] Nothing exemplefies those attributes more than a couple of memorable plays between Duncan and Ginobili... the pass and game winning bucket against the Sonics in 2005, and the pass to Timmy at the 3pt line to take the game to OT against the Suns in GM1 of 2008 (where Manu scored the game-winner).
Not many players of Ginobili's caliber would slide to the 6th man role for the good of the team, without complaint... Ginobili did, because he understood that in the long run that's what would help the team win.
so many things....
I'm not really disagreeing with your premise more so than underscoring why Ginobili has a win-share of his own right.
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