Reply With QuoteKidd's not Magic but his game is certainly the closest to Magic's game since Magic left the game.
Jeezus what kind of LakerFan compares Jason Kidd to Magic Johnson..even I don't do that and I hate the f'n Lakers.
Yeah he gets lot of triple doubles but Magic was one of the best PCT shooting PG's in history..he could hang 45 on someone if he needed too, he could hit shots from half court like they were FT's...he was a better passer than Kidd and he was a better rebounder..
If we were talking about adding Magic Johnson to this team I don't think there would be near as much arguing.
you could actually make an argument for Magic replacing DROB at Center as well as supplanting Parker at PG..that's not on the level of Jason Kidd..
I'll put Kidd on Magic's level when I see him stepping in for a HOF'er and playing center in game 7 of the NBA Finals.... and winning.
Other than that..Kidd is similar to Magic in that he is a PG who can rebound but that's it...that's where the comparison ends.
Kidd's not Magic but his game is certainly the closest to Magic's game since Magic left the game.
Is it too late to send Whott back to the other Forum?
Question.
I liked it better when this place wa sunder the radar.
Damnit Whott, don't make me go off on you again.
I never tried to compare what Magic did in his career to what Jason has done so far. All I said was that both have the ability to dominate the game without putting up big scoring numbers.
Like it or not, Jason Kidd has been, is, and will be a superstar. Hall of Fame material. WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TEAM THAT KIDD PLAYS ON IMPROVES SIGNIFICANTLY AFTER HIS ARRIVAL???
LMAO too funny..You actually think I am over here because of you...think about it...I was here months ago remember? The reason I am here now is because totally legitimate threads are being deleted over there....so if you want me gone just get someone to do that here...heaven forbid someone should go around destroying weak points
Anyway far be it from me to be an antagonistic ahole and cause discomfort for a tar er poster.
Let me make sure I can get in line with the right POV
Whitney > Parker
We will fail to win a le because we didn't trade Malik and Parker for Payton
Parker cannot lead us to an NBA le
Trading AD for the whiteboy Kerr is a bad trade
A routine strategy for aquiring a big name FA is to be viewed as a hidden agenda and called the "holting pattern"
Is that better?
Oh yeah I forgot..anyone that thinks we can win a le this year is a homer.
People that are towing the "supposed" company line of getting Kidd are high minded thinkers and not homers at all.
I have a final question before I become the stepford poster..
Does wanting Brand over Rose make me a homer?
just for some info, magic has refered to Kidd numerous times as "Magic 1A"...if the man says it HIMSELF, he must know something
Who hasn't Magic done that with though?
That's why everone loved LA when Magic was there, he was the total an hesis of what they have now..Magic has rated everyone but my grandmother as the greatest of all time.
Who hasn't Magic complimented?
Saying Kidd is the closest thing to Magic is like saying Kobe was the closest thing to Wilt when he scored 40 points in all those consecutive games...
What's the expression? Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades
o'neal is a great player, but why cant he get Indiana out of the 1st round and Kidd can take his team to the finals each year? they are both in the 'weak east', and other than those 2, there isnt much superstar talent on the teams...to not see that he is a great player and improves any team he is on, puzzles me. if tim decides he wants a kidd to play alongside with instead of o'neal, i guess we better believe he knows what he wants from the team
Tim is going to get what he wants..so that point is moot...
The thing is..like say O'Neal VS Kidd...
When your team is built around a big man you can get away with putting lesser players around him and winning in the regular season...but in the post season it is easier to take a team built around a bigman out..by double teaming the big and forcing his teamates to step up...then the quality of his surrounding players is revealed when they are forced to step up...See the entire David Robinson era for proof of this..See Kareem Adbul Jabbar any year he didn't have the Big O or Magic on his team..See Shaquille any year Kobe wasn't on his team..
Teams built around a guard require better players 1-5 to win and make the post season with..it is much harder to take a guard out of the game than it is a bigman..Guards are used to trying to distribute the ball anyway..it's instinctive for them to look for the open guy on the rare occasion they are drawing more than one defender. Most bigmen just want to score..Double teaming a guard actually helps the guard more than the average bigman..
The guard traditionally has the ball in his hands more and is the natural floor leader..the typical bigman is reliant on someone getting him the ball where he can do something with it.
The quality of our team was revealed time and time again this post season when Duncan was being double teamed and other players stepped up...
You think any of David's teams would have won a series with him averaging 18ppg like Duncan did in the Phoenix series? No way, not ever.
So if you ask me why Kidd was able to get his team to the finals and Indiana wasn't..that would be my reason..
I mean KG has yet to get his team out of the first round..does that mean you would rather have Kidd over KG?
You could ask the question why was Kidd good enough to get his team to the finals last year but Duncan wasn't?
Why was Philly good enough to be the Lakers one time in 2001 but we weren't?
Because O'Neals teammates sucked in the playoffs. Why do you think JO was so pissed after the season? O'Neal improved his scoring by 2 pts/game and rebs by 7 /game in playoffs...he did what was called of him to do, but the rest of the team rolled over to Boston.
well, then whats wrong with having a team build around a superstar big man AND a superstar guard? according to your analogy, we would have everything covered to defeat other teams...
Yeah but don't forget Kidd's teamates sucked too..that's why Parker lit him up in the first 3 games of the series...
ok, you're saying that kidds teammates sucked, so then essentially he single-handedly took the spurs to 6 games...now imagine what he can do with teammates like duncan and manu who dont suck
The Nets strategy was to double Duncan aggressively and force him to give up the rock. Parker being free in the first 3 games to put up some points is not a surprise. Eventually the Nets changed their strategy and soon Parker was sitting on the bench when the championship was on the line.
I don't think Kidd's teamates sucked I was being sarcastic...KMart is a #1 Pick and Jefferson is a #2 pick..and an AS and an Olympian respectively..I don't think Kidd's teamates in Phoenix sucked either..I'd take Marion, Cliff Robinson and Dice...
A better question is what would J"Oneal have done if he had Parker instead of Tinsley?
Oh yeah got to make Ghost happy... Tinsley > Parker
Tinsley is a much better passer than Parker is right? But he is a scorer...
How far do you think Indy would have gone if they had Parker?
How come Parker wasn't mentioned in MVP voting and stuff?
Question.
Yet how come Parker is worth telling a Kidd to go away without another great player on his way?
Easy.
If you can get a good player like Olowokandi for half as much as Kidd, then you have to consider living with Parker.
No one said these were easy decisions.
MB with all due respect..that isn't accurate..Parker was being defended by Kidd..Parker was taking him off the dribble and making him look bad..Parker was shooting 3's right in his face...
The Nets then made stopping Parker a priority and they put Kittles on him for the duration of the series..Parker had one bad game..and that was the 1-12 in game 4, he still didn't miss as many shots as Kidd did in that game though..
In game 5 Parker sucked but he figured Kittles out by the 3rd quarter..
In game 6 Kittles was all over his ass and he couldn't even get a shot off..Kittles was routinely stripping him before he could even get the offense set up. But then again Jax sucked badly too and he turned it around when it mattered, Parker never got that chance..but when did he choke this year? I think Parker would have pulled his head out..
Parker isn't the player Kidd is but dammit he is what Duncan needs to get double teams off of him..
You rewatch that series and you will the Nets actually putting more than one person on Parker in games 5 and 6 for brief periods of time..when was Kidd ever doubled in that series?
Why would we double him..that's what he wants..it was more like we laid off of him and encouraged him to shoot.
Yeah, when the Spurs were setting screens for TP.
TP was never the focal point of the Nets defense in the first 3 games.
Kidd was the focal point of the Spurs defense. With good reason.
Right and that formula worked for us Marcus, we won a le with it..and eventually teams will figure out a way to stop Parker and Duncan and that's where guys like Jax and Manu come in. And those guys are gonna be the difference whether we have Kidd or not..scorers..perimeter shooters that don't choke..
You know we didn't beat LA this year because we stopped Kobe and Shaq(well ok Bowen did do a nice job of ing Kobe's world but it didn't show up in the stats)...they were still putting up basically the same numbers against us they always did..we beat them because Robert Horry sucked...
Those types of guys are the ones who decide championships when strong teams meet..and that's why I want to spend our money on those types of guys and another dominant interior defender..We've got the inside out combination...
Parker is not a guy teams dare to beat them anymore..because he will do it if they give him the chance..
Duncan still does not have someone he can rely on to go to if he is in trouble to make something happen. We Spurs fans get excited by some decent guard play and assume that it can't get any better. I don't care for that at ude.
Duncan needs a superstar teammate if the Spurs are indeed going to continue to field a championship team.
Marcus, what about Duncan's need for a post partner?
Question.
Duncan has one two les without stellar guard play, but he always needed The Admiral.
Bandit I missed your question on what's wrong with having a Suerstar guard..nothing..
But see I don't think it serves the bigman if the Superstar is a passer with limited perimeter offense..
What's Kobe? Scorer
What's Magic..Passer but he could damn sure score..
Jordan - scorer.
Isaiah - scorer
Bird..what ever you wanted..scorer..
What's the combo denominator with all those guys ? They were all dominant scorers and the primary ball handler..
Did the Rockets have any great passers in 93-94? Nope..they had bombers..
About the only team that didn't have that other than the Rockets was the Spurs in 99 but we did have some bombers..and sheesh we aren't gonna have another combo like DROB and Duncan ever..
Keep going and the pattern is going to remain the same...
What was the ringless Stockton? Passer..
Makes sense to me..in that sense Kidd isn't a Super Star..but I would take him over a ty big..but I still don't think it's going to make us that much stronger..
Jefferson went #13 and his Olympic selection was a total joke. RJ has talent and a good future, but if there's a perfect example of a player made significantly better by Kidd, he's the one.Jefferson is a #2 pick..and an AS and an Olympian respectively..
Edit: I misread the AS part
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