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The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would have to disagree. Splinter's leadership was very valuable, and without him, the TMNT as we all know and love just wouldn't have been the same.
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I guess playing time isn't a factor in this debate.
I mean if he can't get 12 and 8 in the DNP's and the 5-8 minutes of PT he receives he's worthless right?
Funny in the 11 games where he's received 16 minutes or more, Splitter is averaging 9 points and 5 boards in 20.7 MPG.
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would have to disagree. Splinter's leadership was very valuable, and without him, the TMNT as we all know and love just wouldn't have been the same.
What are you trying to prove by sending this stats, except Baskonia found a good replacement instead of Splitter? Are you trying to prove that Baskonia centers can't play in NBA? But Scola is proved the opposite one.
Cue a Fabbs thread en led: "The Spurs record when Splitter doesn't play...."
So for you, Splitter is not NBA player, and Barac and Batista yes????
little buddy, Batista played in NBA, and was a big joke... he played against Brazil in FIBA Americas 2009 and just was humiliated by JP Batista (yes JP Batista) and Anderson Varejao...
statistics of Batista in that game (82-62 for my Brazil of course)
30 minutes, 6 points 4 rebounds and 4 fouls, 3-12 FG.. (good for you?)
JP Batista: 11 points and 8 boards...
Batista averaged 1.8 points per game and 2.5 rebounds per game in 8.7 minutes per game, in 57 games played on Atlanta Hawks... good for you too?
Barac is too slow to play in NBA, he would play like Nesterovic on Thunder... is best of the case... gargabe maybe.
Did you see Caja Laboral this season? they are worse than last year, why? Splitter is out. They are third in ACB regular season, and lost to Unicaja last game.
I have concrete arguments
you have just expeculations, thats the true.
man, its comproved, you are a big hater...
Last edited by BRs.Ganso; 01-31-2011 at 04:42 PM.
SPANISH, use google traductor if dont understand.
¿Qué le ocurre a Tiago Splitter?
Eran muchas las expectativas creadas en torno a Tiago Splitter (2.11/1985) tras su brillante trayectoria en el Tau Cerámica/Caja Laboral. El juego desplegado por Splitter en sus últimos años en la ACB y Euroliga fue espectacular y logró hacer olvidar la alargada sombra de Luis Scola. Prueba de ello fue el doble MVP de la Liga Regular y de la Final de la ACB de la temporada 2009-10 (gesta que solo había conseguido anteriormente Arvidas Sabonis). Sus estadísticas en la última temporada ACB fueron: 15,7 puntos, 6,7 rebotes y 1,9 asistencias por partido, así como 5,7 faltas recibidas.
Parecía el momento para dar el gran salto, y su excelente rendimiento no pasó desapercibido para los San Antonio Spurs, que hicieron valer sus derechos del Draft de 2007 sobre el pívot brasileño. Splitter siempre reconoció que su objetivo era jugar en la NBA y finalmente, en verano de 2010, llegó a una franquicia histórica, el equipo liderado por Tim Duncan (ganador de 4 anillos), uno de los ídolos de juventud de Splitter y jugador por el que eligió el dorsal 21.
Muchos pensaban que ante el natural bajón físico de Duncan (34 años, y promedios de 13,6 puntos, 9,5 rebotes y 3 asistencias en 29,4 minutos en lo que va de temporada), Splitter disfrutaría de mayor protagonismo ya en su primer año NBA. Pero estamos en el ecuador de la temporada y de momento, las estadísticas están siendo discretas: 4,1 puntos y 2,6 rebotes en poco más de 11.4 minutos por partido. Evidentemente, es difícil hacer algo más con tan pocos minutos.
El compañero de baile de Duncan en la pintura está siendo DeJuan Blair, que parece confirmar en su segundo año que es un jugador fiable, además de haberse destapado con altas anotaciones en algunos partidos. Lo lógico sería pensar que Splitter entraría en la rotación como el tercer pívot en discordia, pero Popovich sigue confiando en la veteranía de Antonio McDyess, y en un sorprendente Matt Bonner en su papel de falso 4, aportando puntos desde la línea de tres y jugando 22 minutos por partido (con promedios de 7,6 puntos y 3,6 rebotes). Si a esto le añadimos que los Spurs tienen la mejor marca de la liga, la situación para Splitter deja mucho que desear.
En una reciente entrevista de Geisha Torres para nba.com, Splitter se mostraba tranquilo ante su situación: “estoy en mi primer año en la NBA y por eso espero seguir aprendiendo mucho cada día que paso en San Antonio”, lo que refleja que el 22 de los Spurs no parece obsesionado con la idea de tener que demostrar inmediatamente su valía. Splitter, que además tuvo una pequeña lesión al principio de la temporada, se está adaptando a una liga muy fuerte y a un equipo ganador, con grandes jugadores, y es consciente de la dificultad que entraña ganarse la confianza de Popovich. Ya ha mostrado algunos destellos, como los 18 puntos y 5 rebotes obtenidos contra Cleveland Cavaliers el pasado mes de noviembre. Tal vez le tranquilicen las declaraciones a USA Today de Gregg Popovich al principio de la temporada, afirmando que Splitter “tendrá una gran carrera en la NBA”. El mismo Pops comparó la llegada del brasileño con la primera temporada de Manu Ginobili en 2002, en la que promedió tan solo 7,6 puntos en 20 minutos.
¿Habrá que esperar al agotamiento de los veteranos Duncan y McDyess o a que baje el rendimiento Blair o que Bonner no se recupere al 100% de sus problemas físicos para que Splitter pueda demostrar su contrastada calidad? Está claro que Duncan no podrá jugar muchos más años a gran nivel, pero dependerá también de la paciencia y la fortaleza mental de Splitter y de que sepa aprovechar su oportunidad cuando llegue el momento. Todavía quedan varios meses para acabar la temporada, aunque no parece que nada vaya a cambiar en la libreta de Popovich mientras los Spurs sigan con la mejor marca de la Liga.
You don't know who Manu_Forever is/was, do you?
little buddy, D-League is on the same level of BRAZILIAN LEAGUE, or similar.
the example is Marcus Vinicius, he played one season in D-League, scored 17PPG, and now in Brazil he's making 19,3PPG.
Just bc I think Tiago sucks, I can't be a fan of the Spurs? Aww man
The fact that he DOESNT get playing time when we have Bonner out and Dice should be resting, shows how unready he is to play.
Pot meet kettle!
Less that a year ago he was predicted like this and I for one have not given up on him at all yet - I believe Pop has a plan including him probably playing nearly the whole 2nd to last game of the season vs. LAL (first of a back to back and assuming Spurs have clinched HCA in the West) to give him a feel for that lineup if the two meet later. Again as i posted above per Hollinger ratings of Western PF he is above many you would not think including higher than McDysess and around Blair and Bonner and higher in his TS% than many higher ranked PF currently:
February 26, 2009
Tiago Splitter (the longest player profile in DraftExpress history, at over 16,000 words and counting) continues to improve his game year by year, clearly emerging as one of the best players in European basketball this season, and maybe the top center around. His production is pretty astounding, ranking 3rd and 4th in PER in the Euroleague and ACB respectively, 8th in scoring in both categories, and amongst the league leaders in blocks, steals, free throw attempts and shooting percentage.
Offensively, Splitter continues to evolve his game, emerging as a real force for Tau Vitoria, to the tune of 16 points per game, on phenomenal percentages. He shoulders a big offensive load for them, and it’s clear that that’s something that is important for him in the way you see him calling for the ball on the left block. Splitter is primarily a low post player, showing an excellent assortment of footwork and spin-moves with his back to the basket, and a very effective jump-hook he can shoot with either hand. He is a little bit old school in that aspect, really putting pressure on his defender to hold his ground as he backs him down aggressively, which draws him quite a few fouls.
Splitter is extremely aggressive putting the ball on the floor and creating, showing excellent coordination and fluidity, and emerging as a terrific finisher thanks to his great hands and touch. He’s not incredibly explosive around the basket, which may emerge as more of an issue in the NBA (if and when), but with his excellent skill-level and high basketball IQ, he’s about as effective a low-post scorer as you’ll find at the European level. On top of that, he manages to find plenty of scoring opportunities with his ability to run the floor, play pick and roll with the likes of Pablo Prigioni and Igor Rakocevic, and just find open spots around the basket to catch and finish.
Splitter is finally becoming a more consistent free throw shooter, now making about 66% of his attempts—nearly 10 per-40 minutes pace adjusted. He’s not really showing any kind of mid-range jumper, but probably doesn’t really have to for Tau considering that he’s shooting over 64% from the field.
Still not a great rebounder, Splitter has become even less prolific in this department on the offensive end this year, which is a relative concern and probably his biggest weakness. He is showing much better awareness in his ability to pass the ball, though, sporting an impressive 1/1 assist to turnover ratio for the first time in his career.
Defensively, Splitter is obviously a huge asset as we’ve discussed many times, as he has the size, strength and length to be very effective in the low post, but is coordinated and mobile enough to step out and hedge screens with great accuracy. The intensity he displays on this end of the floor tends to get him in foul trouble at times, but this is something that his coach will obviously live with. Splitter is seeing better productivity in the shot-blocking department than in years past, particularly in the Euroleague, where he currently ranks second in blocks per game.
Obviously a high-level rotation player and likely starter whenever he decides to step foot in the NBA, Splitter has a very difficult decision coming up when his current contract expires in the summer of 2010. The paltry $836,000 he’s slotted to earn from the Spurs on the very bersome first round rookie scale can’t compete with the 2.3 million dollars net he currently earns, meaning he’d have to take something in the neighborhood of a 75% paycut for the honor of playing in the NBA.
Talking to Splitter after the final, he seemed non-committal at best when the topic was broached, although it’s pretty clear that he would love to play in the NBA. “Right now it’s the middle of the season and I’m only thinking about Tau. The Spurs have some good players and we’ll have to see what happens.” In response to my question about whether his slot on the Rookie scale might impact his decision, Splitter obviously didn’t seem too happy with his predicament, jokingly asking me if I could “talk to David Stern about that.” He reiterated that “it’s a dream to play in the NBA,” stating “I’m still young, and for sure I want to play there”, but said that “we’ll see what happens when my contract is up in two years.”
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Those numbers are in garbage time for the most part. Look for those numbers to fall in meaningful minutes against the better players.
I agree with Manu_Forever. Splitter is nothing more than a deep end of bench backup, in other words he sucks for all the hype and expectations from this board.
So what you are saying is that you know more about Splitter than Pop? I guess you've seen Splitter play Intel. ball, but Pop and the coaching staff see him everyday! I know everyone has opinions and that's what makes these forums fun. And I know the people who have played bball think they're experts, but they are not! Obviously the Spurs coaching staff sees qualities in him that you casual fans don't...................obviously!
...Either that, or he's just a bust and over rated.....So what you are saying is that you know more about Splitter than Pop? I guess you've seen Splitter play Intel. ball, but Pop and the coaching staff see him everyday! I know everyone has opinions and that's what makes these forums fun. And I know the people who have played bball think they're experts, but they are not! Obviously the Spurs coaching staff sees qualities in him that you casual fans don't...............
Where can I purchase my own G-Dawgg cd? Can you autograph it? Judging from the cover, it looks awesome....Either that, or he's just a bust and over rated.....
Perhaps the reason his ass was stuck to the end of the bench until the injury bug hit is because "the coaching staff see him everyday!".So what you are saying is that you know more about Splitter than Pop? I guess you've seen Splitter play Intel. ball, but Pop and the coaching staff see him everyday! I know everyone has opinions and that's what makes these forums fun. And I know the people who have played bball think they're experts, but they are not! Obviously the Spurs coaching staff sees qualities in him that you casual fans don't...............
I guess you were one among many that over rated him. Thats what's fueling this topic, the fact that people's expectations were high. The Spurs waited for him for a long time and the casual fan expected him to adjust to the NBA game over the summer and start putting up unbelievable numbers. In reality, no one here has no clue what Pop thinks of Tiago or what plans he has for him....Either that, or he's just a bust and over rated.....
Honestly, Splitter is playing exactly like he did overseas. I'm guessing a lot of you haven't seen his games over there. I'm not sure what is wrong with him handling a rebound, but even over there he would juggle damn the ball and end up losing it. I don't really understand the problem here. Maybe small hands. As far as his offensive game, it was strictly pick and roll. His post game is okay, the difference is he would hit those flip shots over there and not here. Maybe it's just a confidence thing or the better defense and bigger bodies here. Either way, Splitter is giving the Spurs exactly what he showed in the Euroleague.
Overrated? Perhaps. Not totally useless though as most of you claim. I'm not going to be quick on the draw and call him a bust, especially when his minutes are completely inconsistent. Chill out and at least give Pop an offseason with him.
i thought you euro dfs said he was good?
You're wrong again. I live in Turkey and watching 2 Euroleague games live in each week(Fenerbahce Ulker and Efes Pilsen). That's why I've watched Splitter's Euroleague games several times.
Nobody is claiming Splitter is a superstar in Europe but he was one of the most outstanding talents here. Moreover he was a very good pick&roll defender which the stats can not show. Moreover he was a very good athlete, which Barac can not be in his entire life. He was so important for Tau, they really didn't want him to leave the club.
I honestly don't know why you hate splitter so much. But he's a good role player, whatever you claim.
As much as Spurs fan doesn't want to admit that, it is about the most sober and accurate assessment of Splitter to date,
is manu_forever kbp? lol
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