Reply With QuoteThat's not max. Max is like $90 mil.
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Brand Considers $65-Million Clipper Offer
Brand Considers $65-Million Clipper Offer
Now the Tough Will Go Shopping
Clippers Face an Exodus
Future Could Be So Bright, and Profitable, for Clippers
From Staff and Wire Reports; Elliott Teaford
Clipper power forward Elton Brand has received a five-year contract offer at about $65 million, but he hasn't decided whether to accept or wait for a longer-term deal from the team. The salary figures are the same for the first five seasons of a so-called "max-out" seven-year deal.
Free agents are eligible to sign with new teams or re-sign with their old ones July 16. Negotiations for new contracts began Tuesday.
Guard Corey Maggette met with Denver Nugget executives for two hours Wednesday, and center Michael Olowokandi expressed interest in playing for the Nuggets and also had some nice things to say about the Miami Heat.
"We've consistently said we like our players and would like to re-sign them," Executive Vice President Andy Roeser said of Brand, Maggette, Andre Miller and Lamar Odom, the team's restricted free agents. "Our first choice is to sit down with them and make a fair deal. We respect their right to go out and see what their alternatives are, but we would be inclined to match any offers."
Olowokandi, an unrestricted free agent, told reporters in Denver and South Florida that he has not ruled out re-signing with the Clippers.
Meanwhile, talks between the Clippers and Mike Dunleavy stalled again after it appeared the two sides were close to an agreement that would fill the team's coaching vacancy.
There is no timetable for the Clippers to hire a coach, and Dunleavy also continues to talk with the Atlanta Hawks.
The Clippers fired Alvin Gentry on March 3, replacing him with assistant Dennis Johnson for the rest of the season.
Dunleavy turned down the Clippers' initial four-year offer. He was believed to be close to accepting a shorter-term deal this week but failed to receive assurances from the team that it would retain restricted free agents such as Brand and Maggette.
— Elliott Teaford
I would guess Brand will wait to see if Sterling offers Odom , maybe Maggette offers so he'll know he's actually on a team.
That's not max. Max is like $90 mil.
You missed this part...The salary figures are the same for the first five seasons of a so-called "max-out" seven-year deal.
Max for Brand is 7 years, $101.784 million. Brand should tell Sterling to go **** himself with an AIDS-infected dildo.
Rigth you are. I guess this means Brand either plays the year out and becomes unrestricted or goes in a S&T.
making an offer of any kind is very unSterlingish...
the normal Clipper MO is to wait till the free agent gets an offer to "set his value" and then go slightly over that...
interesting...
Clippers basically just took Brand off the market...
I don't see Denver, Utah, or the Spurs making a Max 6 year offer to Brand under any cir stances and they are the only ones that could do it...
There you go. Spurs offer to give Brand the full max. Sterling claims that he can't afford him and trades him to SA. Since Brand can't be traded under if signed under that QO that might be all it takes.
Actually Sterling offered Kandi a similar deal last summer...
Brand and Kandi were both willing to stay in LA for less if Sterling kept certain players and tried to be compe ive..he hasn't made inroads into doing that..he had his chance..the best gift we could get is for Kandi to announce he is gonna sign with Denver..He is Brand's boy..and once he goes the chance Brand will too becomes greater...
We need to send SJax, who is another one of Brand's boys, up to see him in LA and let him know what the score is here in SA..Let him know he is our top choice to replace the legendary David Robinson both for his character and talent..
If you treat this guy like an elite player and show him respect he will want to come here IMO. And he can do it without coming off like a disloyal asshole like other FA's might not be able to do..
Under the restricted free agent rules, if the Spurs offer Brand the full max and Sterling doesn't match that, can we get Brand that way?
Is it the salary per season that has to be matched and the years?
Question.
AFAIK, yes.
If that is the case, all the Spurs have to do is offer Brand max money and years and Sterling should fold.
No more wondering about J. O'neal or Kidd or resorting to Olowokandi. The Spurs nab Brand.
Brand is not worth 15 million a year IMO. Tim has made a lot less than that for the past 6 yrs.
If you think O'Neal is worth the max, then Brand is definitely worth it as well. Don't kid yourself and don't think he won't be offered it from some other team. Utah comes to mind.
I do not think anyone outside Tim and Shaq are worth 15 million.
He won't start at 15mil/year you know. Also, last time I checked the market dictates what he's worth and I think many out there would pay him the max.
20/10 and almost 3 bpg in the west definitely warrants the max. Wouldn't you say?
Very interesting development!
To answer your question, Ghost, since Brand is a restricted FA, IF Sterling decided to match a max offer from any team, Elton Brand would essentially be locked in for that same contract to the Clippers, whether he likes it or not. It's not in Brand's best interest to accept any offers from other teams if Sterling were willing to go that far.
like I said earlier...Brand is now officially off the market...
Sterling offered max money for 5 years...
we could offer max money for 6 years...
it's not that big a stretch for Sterling to add one year and match our offer...then Brand would be stuck.
My question pertained to us offering an extra year.
That would force Sterling to offer one more year, right?
Hopefully, he would refuse.
Not a great development but not the worst. Brand doesn't want to stay without Kandi and Kandi is almost definitely gone. I don't think Brand signs this offer. Hopefully Sterling might be convinced to do a S&T. At worst we could wait one more year for Brand and make do with a lesser big man for that year.
Let's hope we don't have to make that decision if we land O'Neal.
How can the Spurs wait for Brand? Sign Jax that's $3-4 million. Stay under the salary cap, no MLE, so Ginobili will take up $5-6 million. I don't think there'll be enough to match other teams that will offer a max deal. I think it's either a S&T this year or hasta la vista. Agree with CosmicCowboy. Brand is probably off hte table.
A sign-and-trade for who, TwoHandJam?
Either we're going to offer that extra year and hope Sterling doesn't match, or Brand is out of the Question.
I think this is a good development for the Spurs. Sterling's shown he's not willing to give Brand the max (that means 7 years not 5, travis). But of course I'm the one without a clue, right?
Brand just has to demand the full max and then threaten to sign the qualifying offer and walk next year if he doesn't get dealt NOW to SA for picks.
Sterling can come up with some lame excuse like he can't afford Brand and that's it.
Another threat would be for the Spurs to sign Brand to a max offer sheet and force Sterling to match. Brand would have to be willing to go through with that and face Sterling matching and then shipping him wherever.
Offering an extra year will do nothing but waste time. Brand won't take the offer because he won't want to chance Sterling matching and then be left on an island without his buddies. It's either S&T which is about .00001 probability or adios Mr Brand time to move on.
Would Sterling float the offer if he was willing/interested in doing a S&T. Maybe for PR reasons to show he was a real owner, making a real effort but that prick agent Falk wouldn't be reasonable so now he was salvaging what he could for the franchise. Doubt it.
Not quite, picnroll.
Brand is already reportedly considering Sterling's current offer very seriously. If he accepts the Spurs offer for the full max and Sterling does match that, then Brand actually gets a better deal from the Clippers than the one he is pondering now.
A sign-and-trade involving the Spurs and Clippers makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for either team.
It makes plenty of sense. The Spurs get their man and don't have to face the possibility of waiting for 2 weeks during free agency and not being able to know WTF is going to happen.
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