I'm Hoping The Lakers Lose or Tank The Boston Game Tomorrow

[Killakobe81]

BTW

Ray averaged 25pts 4 rebs and 6 assists over 18 games in the 2000-2001 Playoffs

and 26 4 and 4 his first playoffs in Seattle ...

[Kyle Orton]

Tbh Manu will get in before any of them because of his minor league accomplishments, and yes he is better than Ray Allen. Ray Allen for some reason has the reputation of a clutch ass shooter when he's not. Look at what happened in the finals, he bricked 1-2 free throws (if I remember correctly) in game 7 and kept missing wide open shots. Iverson will go down as the best individual player of the four, but IMO Pierce has had the better NBA career.

[Koolaid_Man]

Kool noticed he was being too good with a Spurs player, backtracks, but still says Manu will win a 4th ring... Ok, I'll take it. :P

I can totally see Manu getting into the HoF before any of those 3 players.

who said it would be with the Spurs...

[Spur_Fanatic]

lg.com

Agreed. LG.com is not perfect, but is a nice forum.

If you want some laughs, wait for the Lakers to lose 2 straight even after 20 straight wins, and head to their Lounge: It's not pretty (but its hilarious)

[Killakobe81]

First off, yes most casual NBA fans tend to be Laker/Heat/Celtics fans because that's who ESPN/Mainstream Media showcases and promotes. Most casual fans don't know about small-market players who actually deserve recognition.

also, i don't hate kobe. I agree with Kool and think that Prime Kobe > Prime Wade.

To answer your other questions, I think you'll see Wade's efficiency grow as he gets more and more accustomed to LeBron's game. LeBron's dominance isn't the same as Shaq's dominance as Shaq dominated from the post and LeBron from the wing.

Kobe benefited from Shaq because Shaq always drew 2-3 defenders in the post leaving Kobe free to do work all around the perimeter. Wade and LeBron are basically the same type of player in that they're are slashing wings and occupy the same airspace as one another. which is why you saw the heat struggle early this year because both players were getting used to playing off one another.

despite the growing pains, Wade is still shooting nearly 50% from the field and averaging the same numbers he did when he had a supporting cast, and the heat are winning games. as the they get more and more time together, i have no doubt that both Wade and LeBron will become even more efficient and maximize each other's game.

i ain't knockin Kobe but i just see Wade as the more efficient player and the guy more likely to give up the rock and not go chucker mode to the detriment of the team.

Good post, but two things:

1. Wade is not small market and that was who we were discussing
2. YOU said that MOST NON Laker fans would choose wade when the numbers suggest that other fanbases prefer Kobe ...still even at his age. Not saying the fan vote means all that much but player polls and GM polls slant that way as well ...I think it is close but in his prime Kobe is better. But wade does have a Finals performance that Kobe is not close to matching ...

As for chucking pretty easy not to chuck when you have a player having the season Lebron is carrying the load ...my point still stands it should not be close wade should be way more efficent than Kobe ..since Kobe takes some of the hardest most contested (and sometimes dumb) shots in the NBA ...

[Koolaid_Man]

Tbh Manu will get in before any of them because of his minor league accomplishments, and yes he is better than Ray Allen. Ray Allen for some reason has the reputation of a clutch ass shooter when he's not. Look at what happened in the finals, he bricked 1-2 free throws (if I remember correctly) in game 7 and kept missing wide open shots. Iverson will go down as the best individual player of the four, but IMO Pierce has had the better NBA career.

the day that Manu is the man and leads a team to anything....holla at me...Ray done proved his leadership in this league....Manu is a linguini eating D2 Beta version of Ray...

and even my sucker lngrr won't defend his boy against you 's...for some reason he scared of you grade A pussies...

[FkLA]

Pierce has been head and shoulders better than Manu???

Not sure about that. People criticize Manu for not putting up big #s but look at how PP's numbers dropped after Boston formed their own Big 3...theyre practically identical to what Manu has put up while having a Big 3 in San Antonio. If Pierce wouldve had Garnett and Allen alongside him during their primes, his career stats would look very similar to Manu's...and just like Manu his greatness would probably be put into question as well.

[Killakobe81]

Agreed. LG.com is not perfect, but is a nice forum.

If you want some laughs, wait for the Lakers to lose 2 straight even after 20 straight wins, and head to their Lounge: It's not pretty (but its hilarious)

LOL you mean like the Manu, RJ and Parker bashing upstairs?
What about the Pop hate and the small ball complaints ... LOL

"CIA Pop"

"It is only December, January, February" (last two years)

My favorite: "The suns were due for a breakthrough" LOL

"I dont care who wins as long as the rapist and Col.Sanders doesnt win"

[DPG21920]

Don't even begin to compare LG.com to here. This forum>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>L G.COM

[Killakobe81]

the day that Manu is the man and leads a team to anything....holla at me...Ray done proved his leadership in this league....Manu is a linguini eating D2 Beta version of Ray...

and even my sucker lngrr won't defend his boy against you 's...for some reason he scared of you grade A pussies...

LOL ...Lngrr is cool but I was surprised he did not back me up.
Like i said I am not saying Manu or Ray is better, they are different. But Dismissing ray as just a great shooter is ignorant ...Before he started being a littly whiny Ray (manu too) was one of my favorite opposing players ...

[Koolaid_Man]

Pierce has been head and shoulders better than Manu???

Not sure about that. People criticize Manu for not putting up big #s but look at how PP's numbers dropped after Boston formed their own Big 3...theyre practically identical to what Manu has put up. If Pierce wouldve had Garnett and Allen alongside him during their primes, his career stats would look very similar to Manu's...and just like Manu his greatness would probably be put into question as well.

Has Manu ever been in a fight...I mean Kobe slapped that upside the head or hit him in the face and all he ever seems to do is hit the floor...I don't think the Manu can fight...so he most definitely can't lead a team he looks like a whimp a pussy to me...I wanna see someone go upside his head and see his response...I beleive he's a ...and so is Tony...some weak ass pussies...

[Killakobe81]

Don't even begin to compare LG.com to here. This forum>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>L G.COM

Here is better I dont think I have even have 1,000 posts over there ...

But just dont be a hypocrite.

I peek upstairs and there are some glaring similarities to L.G. In fact, evertime we beat yall they post the most hilarious game thread posts on that site ....they are not far off from the LG panic threads/posts.

[FkLA]

youre trying too hard son...

[Koolaid_Man]

LOL ...Lngrr is cool but I was surprised he did not back me up.
Like i said I am not saying Manu or Ray is better, they are different. But Dismissing ray as just a great shooter is ignorant ...Before he started being a littly whiny Ray (manu too) was one of my favorite opposing players ...

that's cuz he letting Spur fan run trains on his ass...He's in bed with them s just like the Heat fans....He won't stand up for himself or his team...He likes the friendships he's built up so he'll have someone to turn to once LA gets in that ass again come June....the only time he seemed to have shown any balls is when he married an illegal... ing shame too...

[Mugen]

Good post, but two things:

1. Wade is not small market and that was who we were discussing
2. YOU said that MOST NON Laker fans would choose wade when the numbers suggest that other fanbases prefer Kobe ...still even at his age. Not saying the fan vote means all that much but player polls and GM polls slant that way as well ...I think it is close but in his prime Kobe is better. But wade does have a Finals performance that Kobe is not close to matching ...

As for chucking pretty easy not to chuck when you have a player having the season Lebron is carrying the load ...my point still stands it should not be close wade should be way more efficent than Kobe ..since Kobe takes some of the hardest most contested (and sometimes dumb) shots in the NBA ...

1. Wade is not small market, but on a global level he's not on the level as Kobe or LeBron as far as being a household name.
2. i stand by that and think that most non-laker fans would choose Wade over Kobe at this point in their careers. Kobe's been around longer and is the more popular player but i think most knowledgeable nba fans would go with wade. but i def understand the case for Kobe. how much of that player poll/coach poll is based on Kobe's "rep", not sure but okay. Fan Poll means to me because a billion chinese people also voted yao in.

you could say the same for Kobe with the type of front line talent that surrounds him...

i think wade is pretty efficient as is, but i guess its all relative.

[Kyle Orton]

the day that Manu is the man and leads a team to anything....holla at me...Ray done proved his leadership in this league....Manu is a linguini eating D2 Beta version of Ray...

and even my sucker lngrr won't defend his boy against you 's...for some reason he scared of you grade A pussies...

Ray Allen hasn't led a team to anything more than Manu has. They both have been the 2nd/3rd options on the championship teams they were on. The only difference is Manu has been the guy taking the big shots at the end of games for his team, with Boston it was mostly Pierce.

[Koolaid_Man]

Ray Allen hasn't led a team to anything more than Manu has. They both have been the 2nd/3rd options on the championship teams they were on. The only difference is Manu has been the guy taking the big shots at the end of games for his team, with Boston it was mostly Pierce.

the fact is Ray Allen has lead teams in this league....Seattle and the Bucks...Manu hasn't end of story....

[DMC]

Spur fan...please...STFU already...you have no credibility in this area anyway...it's not my intention to divide Laker Nation but this is important...not that we can't win another le as constructed because we've proved it...however, this is about extending the le window...from 1-2 yrs to 3-4 years...

Jim Buss at least "publicly" has shot down Bynum for Melo...over Phil and Kobe's wishes...I think Jim is over his head bat insane for sticking by glass knees Bynum like this...Demarcus Cousins was right about Bynum...and now the only recourse we have is to lose to Boston and NY....tank, whatever you want to call it to get Bynum's ass out of LA...I'm going full mode DEFCON on his ass...I want him out.

Not only do we need to lose to Boston but it has to be with Bynum playing and getting owned and Kobe and Pau playing great ball...the Lakers losing a couple of games have never been so important... I want the Lakers to get SPANKED...Like never before...Jim Buss needs to be taught a lesson and stop ing around and wasting Kobe's remaining good years...

Kobe still has no MVP / ALL-STAR STARTER / HOF help. He's the lone star doing it basically on his own...still trying to toughen up Gasol after all these years...

We'd be unguardable with Kobe , Pau and Melo...Melo could not be played 1:1 with Kobe and Gasol on the court...in fact none of them could be doubled...Melo 1 on 1 would destroy whomever the opposition was...or Kobe would knock down jumpers all day...

Here's to Laker Loss tomorrow and Fri... I want pressure on Jim Buss...

Yeah... about that...

Pre-emptive defense against CROFLAKERS thread, won't work. Whether or not some kid on an internet site thinks the team should tank is unimportant. What's important is that, when your team loses, you will be trolled.

[Koolaid_Man]

DMC I see you in this post...I'm getting ready to log-out but before i do...here's a pre-emptive YOU to YOU....

[Killakobe81]

1. Wade is not small market, but on a global level he's not on the level as Kobe or LeBron as far as being a household name.
2. i stand by that and think that most non-laker fans would choose Wade over Kobe at this point in their careers. Kobe's been around longer and is the more popular player but i think most knowledgeable nba fans would go with wade. but i def understand the case for Kobe. how much of that player poll/coach poll is based on Kobe's "rep", not sure but okay. Fan Poll means to me because a billion chinese people also voted yao in.

you could say the same for Kobe with the type of front line talent that surrounds him...

i think wade is pretty efficient as is, but i guess its all relative.

Pau Odom and Bynum are good or very good.
Lebron is destined to be an all-time great that is nothing close to the same ...Plus he has Bosh too who many here say is as good or close to Pau ...

Just saying with all the "chucking" Kobe does should not wade be more efficient and have less TO's based on the fact Lebron is initiating the offense and Wade runs pnr with Bosh?

Again not trying to change your mind it's a close argument to me either way right now in their careers ...

[jjktkk]

Has Manu ever been in a fight...I mean Kobe slapped that upside the head or hit him in the face and all he ever seems to do is hit the floor...I don't think the Manu can fight...so he most definitely can't lead a team he looks like a whimp a pussy to me...I wanna see someone go upside his head and see his response...I beleive he's a ...and so is Tony...some weak ass pussies...

Good thing your not saying Kobe is a tough guy. Besides who gives a about so called, perceived tough guys? Ind't that that like saying my dad can beat up your dad?

[Killakobe81]

Im out too at least some real bbball talk snuck in here nice job Mugen and others ...
Kool you a fool ... LOL

[DPG21920]

Here is better I dont think I have even have 1,000 posts over there ...

But just dont be a hypocrite.

I peek upstairs and there are some glaring similarities to L.G. In fact, evertime we beat yall they post the most hilarious game thread posts on that site ....they are not far off from the LG panic threads/posts.

There is no comparison. It is not being a hypocrite when one place is superior than the other.

LG is a steaming pile of fanbase.

[xellos88330]

Has Manu ever been in a fight...I mean Kobe slapped that upside the head or hit him in the face and all he ever seems to do is hit the floor...I don't think the Manu can fight...so he most definitely can't lead a team he looks like a whimp a pussy to me...I wanna see someone go upside his head and see his response...I beleive he's a ...and so is Tony...some weak ass pussies...

Why don't you go pick and fight with him and find out? I bet you won't because he would you up.

LOL wanting someone else to fight for you, when you are too made to do it yourself.

[LnGrrrR]

the day that Manu is the man and leads a team to anything....holla at me...Ray done proved his leadership in this league....Manu is a linguini eating D2 Beta version of Ray...

and even my sucker lngrr won't defend his boy against you 's...for some reason he scared of you grade A pussies...

I think Allen and Manu are equally good, for different reasons.

I think Pierce is better than Manu.