The Art of War - Egyptian Uprising

[TeyshaBlue]

Didn't run up the deficit.

Holy .

Anyway, I for one am happy for the people of Egypt and I am hopeful they will establish a government that does them well. Very awesome to see them succeed and I can only hope it spreads to the rest of the middle east.

Unlike Iraq, a revolution that starts from within and moves itself will succeed. It builds a sense of unity and pride and not the feeling of being conquered. Amazing history we just witnessed.

Yeah, well let's see how it shakes out. Now the hard stuff begins.

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't run up the deficit.

Holy .

Anyway, I for one am happy for the people of Egypt and I am hopeful they will establish a government that does them well. Very awesome to see them succeed and I can only hope it spreads to the rest of the middle east.

Unlike Iraq, a revolution that starts from within and moves itself will succeed. It builds a sense of unity and pride and not the feeling of being conquered. Amazing history we just witnessed.

It's just a matter of time before yoni gives credit to Bush for these democratic revolutions.

If they work out well.

If not, it's obviously Obama's fault for not invading.

[Yonivore]

Didn't run up the deficit.

Holy .

Have you looked at the deficit lately? All of it is on the back of the Democrat Congress of 2006-2010 and this idiot President.

Anyway, I for one am happy for the people of Egypt and I am hopeful they will establish a government that does them well. Very awesome to see them succeed and I can only hope it spreads to the rest of the middle east.

Unlike Iraq, a revolution that starts from within and moves itself will succeed. It builds a sense of unity and pride and not the feeling of being conquered. Amazing history we just witnessed.

Yeah, that's worked out well for Iranians...most of whom are now opposed to the government that came to power during a popular revolution.

We can only hope that secular, geneous organization "Muslim Brotherhood" doesn't take the reigns.

[RandomGuy]

Not fair, RG -- he extended an olive branch to you.

If only you had feck.

Meh. An olive branch covered in bull , perhaps.

I think the general tone and dishonest nature of his posts put the lie to that olive branch more surely than anything I could say could.

On a lark I did the "look at the last 300 posts" thing for bizarro boutons, and didn't really find anything consistant with his hypocritical olive branch.

[RandomGuy]

Anyway, I for one am happy for the people of Egypt and I am hopeful they will establish a government that does them well. Very awesome to see them succeed and I can only hope it spreads to the rest of the middle east.

Unlike Iraq, a revolution that starts from within and moves itself will succeed. It builds a sense of unity and pride and not the feeling of being conquered. Amazing history we just witnessed.

Well said.

[ChumpDumper]

Have you looked at the deficit lately? All of it is on the back of the Democrat Congress of 2006-2010 and this idiot President.

Who ran up the deficit and debt before that, yoni?

Yeah, that's worked out well for Iranians...most of whom are now opposed to the government that came to power during a popular revolution.

So you want to actively maintain the brutal dictatorship, yoni?

Just say so.

[Yonivore]

Meh. An olive branch covered in bull , perhaps.

I think the general tone and dishonest nature of his posts put the lie to that olive branch more surely than anything I could say could.

On a lark I did the "look at the last 300 posts" thing for bizarro boutons, and didn't really find anything consistant with his hypocritical olive branch.

You have a lot of free time.

But, talking about me isn't really a defense of this administration. Nice deflection.

[RandomGuy]

You have a lot of free time.

But, talking about me isn't really a defense of this administration. Nice deflection.

It didn't take too long to get the general idea. .6 seconds for the search, a few clicks on a page or two.

" ing liberals" " ing Obama" " ing this" " ing that" You are pretty consistant in both language and message.

As for this administration, your criticisms merit the response given, IMO. If you don't like that, improve the quality and tenor of your criticisms.

Still not taking the bait.

[ChumpDumper]

You have a lot of free time.

But, talking about me isn't really a defense of this administration. Nice deflection.

If that was your best attack, they don't need any defending.

All you called for was more war and more dictatorships.

We disagree with you.

[Yonivore]

It didn't take too long to get the general idea. .6 seconds for the search, a few clicks on a page or two.

" ing liberals" " ing Obama" " ing this" " ing that" You are pretty consistant in both language and message.

As for this administration, your criticisms merit the response given, IMO. If you don't like that, improve the quality and tenor of your criticisms.

Still not taking the bait.

A couple of posts? Okay. I thought you looked at 300.

Anyway, No one is asking you to respond, but that you do with a criticism of me isn't -- as I said -- a defense of the administration. Nor does it serve any other purpose that I can discern.

So, why respond at all?

[MannyIsGod]

Yoni brings up a good point. When people say like the GOP didn't run up the deficit, why bother responding to them at all?

[ChumpDumper]

A couple of posts? Okay. I thought you looked at 300.

Anyway, No one is asking you to respond, but that you do with a criticism of me isn't -- as I said -- a defense of the administration. Nor does it serve any other purpose that I can discern.

So, why respond at all?

Mainly because your attacks are irrational and have little to do with anything actually happening in Egypt at this time.

All RG did was chronicle more irrationality; quite effectively.

[Yonivore]

Yoni brings up a good point. When people say like the GOP didn't run up the deficit, why bother responding to them at all?

Because, you can't respond with anything except for an attack of the poster. That's why.

Let it stand unchallenged; see if I care.

[ChumpDumper]

Because, you can't respond with anything except for an attack of the poster. That's why.

Let it stand unchallenged; see if I care.

Uh, we just challenged you, dumbass.

[RandomGuy]

Mainly because your attacks are irrational and have little to do with anything actually happening in Egypt at this time.

All RG did was chronicle more irrationality; quite effectively.

Speaking of chronicling irrrationality, here is something that took longer than .6 seconds to put goether:

this idiot President.

ing liberals

your new "civility."

when liberals about it

Talking about whoring, Edwards d his wife's cancer

It's all a ing farce

why is it so ing cold?

I stopped after the first two pages of posts. Like I said, it doesn't take much parusing to get the picture.

(edit)

, that has all the makings of a good drinking game.

"Take a shot when Yoni says the word " "."

[MannyIsGod]

Because, you can't respond with anything except for an attack of the poster. That's why.

Let it stand unchallenged; see if I care.

I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to dignify the rants and raves of a delusional lunatic with an actual rebuttal anymore than I feel the need to tell the crazy guy on the corner that the sky is indeed blue and not purple.

[Stringer_Bell]

I just want to give a shout out to Mubarak's last ditch attempt to retain power. I assume he leaked info to the military that he was stepping down, then banking on the crowds going crazy violent when he didn't resign so that the military had no choice but to step in and crush the protests. Sly move, but it really does look like the Egyptian protestors were smarter this time.

Good luck, Egypt!

[ChumpDumper]

yoni is shedding tears over his boy Mubarak.

[RandomGuy]

It didn't take too long to get the general idea. .6 seconds for the search, a few clicks on a page or two.

A couple of posts? Okay. I thought you looked at 300.

When you click on "find posts" you get the latest 300 results arranged 15 per page, FYI. I looked through a few pages skimming the first few sentences.

Anyway, No one is asking you to respond, but that you do with a criticism of me isn't -- as I said -- a defense of the administration. Nor does it serve any other purpose that I can discern.

So, why respond at all?

Because your criticisms warrant just enough response to note that they aren't worth responding to, generally.

Honestly, I wish it were otherwise. I point this stuff out, in the vain hope that someday you might set aside some of the vitriol and outright partisan dishonesty. That is why I reply, although I could be nicer about it, I guess.

I'm only human.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

It could be that not sticking his into every single international event could be the best play for the future in the ME.

lol that Bush had some feck.

ding ding ding ding

The last thing the Republicans want is the return of the Pat Buchannan style "America first, I don't give a about the others because it will be best if I don't interfere" of thinking within their own base.

Yoni's post simply reaffirms my belief that Republican politicals are fuming right now over the idea of a non-violent, non-turbulent transition of power in Egypt.

The only things Republicans have going for them in this regard (assuming that no violent [mass reported] episodes occur prior to 2012 election) is the undeniable fact that the Democrats suck copious taint at getting the most out of their arsenal, whereas Republicans are the best in the business.

I can see the Republicans swaying personal opinion over this issue, even when coming from a position of relative weakness. But right now, if this stays non-violent, Obama has a wicked s in his shotgun to blast any "viable" Republican candidate in 2012, if he can use it properly.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Pretty cool events today, I only wish I had been able to watch it on TV as opposed to listen to it on the radio.

I would like to hope this transition of power means something for the common man in Egypt, and you can call me a cynical bas if you want, but looking at the situation the best the people can hope for is lip service to their true grievances. The politicians who would actually try to improve their well being would eventually get voted out immediately or assassinated.

What is truly interesting to me is the quick rise in the incidence of social networking and internets with the growing young demo of these rioting countries in the ME.
If only Nasser had been born into this kind of situation. IMO he's the last Egyptian leader who had any true desire or chance to better the Arab peoples of the Middle East. I doubt anything will really happen to better the Egyptian people's situation. It's just another case of kicking the can down the road.

[MannyIsGod]

CBF, I think you miss the fact that democracy actually works better in countries around the world than it does here since people don't give a here for the most part. If the Egyptians get a democracy out of this and they hold their leaders accountable they'll do very well for themselves.

A lot of hard work left for them but they're off to a of a start. This is pretty much as good as they could hope for so far.

[MannyIsGod]

BTW I think your comment about the Yonis of the world being pissed was spot on.

[Nbadan]

Bush's Role In The Revolution
by Chris Bodenner

He may have helped in a roundabout way:

In an interesting and even ironic way, the resistance in Egypt can be traced back to President George W. Bush and the war in Iraq. Protesting against Bush's violent means of spreading democracy, a loosely formed group organized the largest demonstrations in Egypt's history around the March 20, 2003, invasion. They eventually became known as Kefaya, meaning "Enough." Adopting the mission to bring down Mubarak and restore power to the Egyptian people, Kefaya held regular protests that called for the end of the emergency law, more freedom for the Egyptian people, and better handling of the economy -- essentially similar demands seen in Tahrir Square today. After heavy activity in 2004 and 2005, the movement fizzled due to apparent conflicts between the Islamic and liberal activists.

Out of Kefaya grew the April 6 Youth Movement whose members and affiliates played an integral role in this year's #Jan25 demonstrations. The group formed in order to support workers in the industrial town of Mahalia al-Kubra during an April 6, 2008, strike, organizing primarily through a Facebook group. Inheriting from Kefaya the lofty goal of displacing Mubarak, the group swelled to 70,000 young, highly educated and generally affluent activists by 2009.

salon

"April 6's stated goal of replacing the current regime with a parliamentary democracy prior to the 2011 presidential elections is highly unrealistic, and is not supported by the mainstream opposition."

- Wikileaks

[Yonivore]

Speaking of chronicling irrrationality, here is something that took longer than .6 seconds to put goether:

I stopped after the first two pages of posts. Like I said, it doesn't take much parusing to get the picture.

(edit)

, that has all the makings of a good drinking game.

"Take a shot when Yoni says the word " "."

Awesome! Now, how does that defend this administration against the claims it is the worst in history?