shawna forde sentenced to death

[DarrinS]

This evil is to the "Minutemen American Defense" as Charles Manson was to the "Manson Family" commune. No relation to any legitimate anti-illegal immigration movement.

Good analogy.

[DarrinS]

MSNBC will somehow link this crazy to Palin and/or Tea Party. Will bump this when it happens.

[z0sa]

This was probably not covered extensively because it is fringe activity by an extremist. The article states as much. An objective person won't let this directly reflect on anything but that group.

Still, what a sad, pathetic person obviously in need of some attention and harboring some real and irrational hatred. And is being a border buccaneer of this type any more moral than jumping said border for a better life?

[Nbadan]

This was probably not covered extensively because it is fringe activity by an extremist.

Weak

Most of the groups that spend their free time patrolling the border are 'fringe activity by extremists' too.....yet they're covered...

[Nbadan]

legitimate anti-illegal immigration movement.

Legitimate?

[Stringer_Bell]

This was probably not covered extensively because it is fringe activity by an extremist. The article states as much. An objective person won't let this directly reflect on anything but that group.

And yet the Phantom Mexican killing a rancher was covered extensively because it wasn't a fringe activity by an extremist? Because an objective person would allow it to directly reflect Phantom Mexicans?

legitimate anti-illegal immigration movement is legitimate.

[Yonivore]

And yet the Phantom Mexican killing a rancher was covered extensively because it wasn't a fringe activity by an extremist? Because an objective person would allow it to directly reflect Phantom Mexicans?

legitimate anti-illegal immigration movement is legitimate.

Crimes committed by illegal aliens is not a "fringe activity."

[rjv]

This evil is to the "Minutemen American Defense" as Charles Manson was to the "Manson Family" commune. No relation to any legitimate anti-illegal immigration movement.

That's why it didn't make national news under that narrative...even the media realized they'd start looking like the idiots some of you have become, in here.

just to clarify...you are saying that anyone that associates a nutjob (or group of nutjobs) with a whole other group that is on a certain side or idealogy is an idiot, correct ?

[Yonivore]

just to clarify...you are saying that anyone that associates a nutjob (or group of nutjobs) with a whole other group that is on a certain side or idealogy is an idiot, correct ?

Anyone who associates this murderer with the legitimate organizations, trying to compel the government to secure our borders, is wrong. Yes.

[rjv]

Anyone who associates this murderer with the legitimate organizations, trying to compel the government to secure our borders, is wrong. Yes.

why, because it is foolish to associate nutjobs with 'legitimate' idealogues ?

[Spurminator]

why, because it is foolish to associate nutjobs with 'legitimate' idealogues ?

Yonivore never does that.

[Yonivore]

why, because it is foolish to associate nutjobs with 'legitimate' idealogues ?

I'm not sure at what you're driving but, yes, it would be wrong-minded to associate what Forde did with other anti-illlegal immigrant organizations.

[rjv]

I'm not sure at what you're driving but, yes, it would be wrong-minded to associate what Forde did with other anti-illlegal immigrant organizations.

that was not the question. the question is: why, because it is foolish to associate nutjobs with 'legitimate' idealogues ?

there has to be a reason why it would be foolish. are you not able to tell us why ? why would it be wrong minded ?

[Yonivore]

that was not the question. the question is: why, because it is foolish to associate nutjobs with 'legitimate' idealogues ?

there has to be a reason why it would be foolish. are you not able to tell us why ? why would it be wrong minded ?

Why do you ask? Are you not capable of drawing a conclusion on your own? In this context it is clearly wrong to associate Shawna Forde with any anti-illegal alien organizations outside her own.

Why don't you get to your point?

[rjv]

Why do you ask? Are you not capable of drawing a conclusion on your own? In this context it is clearly wrong to associate Shawna Forde with any anti-illegal alien organizations outside her own.

Why don't you get to your point?

begging the question: "Begging the question" is a form of logical fallacy in which a statement or claim is assumed to be true without evidence other than the statement or claim itself. When one begs the question, the initial assumption of a statement is treated as already proven without any logic to show why the statement is true in the first place

so, without begging the question, please tell me why it would be wrong to associate forde and her organization with other organizations which claim to be concerned with policing the borders ?

[Yonivore]

begging the question: "Begging the question" is a form of logical fallacy in which a statement or claim is assumed to be true without evidence other than the statement or claim itself. When one begs the question, the initial assumption of a statement is treated as already proven without any logic to show why the statement is true in the first place

so, without begging the question, please tell me why it would be wrong to associate forde and her organization with other organizations which claim to be concerned with policing the borders ?

Because the two aren't related? I'm not even clear her stated motive for the crime -- to fund her organization -- is anything more than an attempt to make her heinous act seem to be born of a noble effort.

[rjv]

Because the two aren't related? I'm not even clear her stated motive for the crime -- to fund her organization -- is anything more than an attempt to make her heinous act seem to be born of a noble effort.

that is closer although instead of begging the question you have answered the question with another question and an assumption qualified by uncertainty.

are you trying to state that she never really was about immigration at all ? and that she hides behind a political cause to sate some more base or criminal desire?

if so, then would it be fair to assume that you are indicating that: clearly, a casual observer would be able to make a distinction between such a fanatical act and the otherwise perfectly acceptable protest(s) of a politically affiliated group? (i.e. only a fool or idiot could not make distinctions between obviously fanatical incidents and/or acts and their more legitimate purported causes)

[Yonivore]

that is closer although instead of begging the question you have answered the question with another question and an assumption qualified by uncertainty.

are you trying to state that she never really was about immigration at all ? and that she hides behind a political cause to sate some more base or criminal desire?

if so, then would it be fair to assume that you are indicating that: clearly, a casual observer would be able to make a distinction between such a fanatical act and the otherwise perfectly acceptable protest(s) of a politically affiliated group? (i.e. only a fool or idiot could not make distinctions between obviously fanatical incidents and/or acts and their more legitimate purported causes)

Remove the question mark from the first sentence of my post, if that helps you. The two are unrelated.

And, there are casual observers then, there are casual observers.

As was evidenced, earlier in this thread, there were some who clearly could not make that distinction.

[rjv]

Remove the question mark from the first sentence of my post, if that helps you. The two are unrelated.

And, there are casual observers then, there are casual observers.

As was evidenced, earlier in this thread, there were some who clearly could not make that distinction.

i think it would certainly be fair to say that you agree that those who can not make distinctions between fanatics and extremist fringes or factions is foolish or an idiot.

so we can certainly never expect such posts or threads from you.

[Yonivore]

i think it would certainly be fair to say that you agree that those who can not make distinctions between fanatics and extremist fringes or factions is foolish or an idiot.

so we can certainly never expect such posts or threads from you.

Think what you want; why would I care what you expect?

[Pauly D]

I am encouraged that some of the reliable death penalty opponents, in here, can be persuaded that perhaps it is a warranted means of justice.

[Pauly D]

lol at rjv trying so damn hard to look smart by posting 50 times only to make the point below

i think it would certainly be fair to say that you agree that those who can not make distinctions between fanatics and extremist fringes or factions is foolish or an idiot.

so we can certainly never expect such posts or threads from you.

Yonivore needed one of these tbh

[RandomGuy]

Crimes committed by illegal aliens is not a "fringe activity."

Right wing hate groups have used crime to fund themselves forever.

It is one of the neo-nazi core principles in one of their touchstone books about fostering a revolution.

It surprises me very little that a right-wing group would seek to fund itself through criminal means.

"fringe" maybe. Surprising, no.

[rjv]

Think what you want; why would I care what you expect?

why so sensitive ? you certainly would have not have to feel that you belong to this set of fools unless you yourself have ever made assertions matching the aforementioned criteria

say for example:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170159

or

They have nothing to say about the real violence of politics -- almost always perpetrated by the left.

i mean, such assertions associating the fringes with more legitmate factions would just be idiotic, at least to the casual observer that is.

[Yonivore]

why so sensitive ? you certainly would have not have to feel that you belong to this set of fools unless you yourself have ever made assertions matching the aforementioned criteria

say for example:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170159

or



i mean, such assertions associating the fringes with more legitmate factions would just be idiotic, at least to the casual observer that is.

The vitriol and hatred directed at Palin has come form all corners of the left. And, the SEIU goons that almost killed Gladney and this goon in Wisconsin, who punched a girl, and the Democratic Congressman that called for violence... belong to mainstream leftist union organizations and the Democrat party.

I knew you were headed here and you didn't disappoint. Fail.