I already see it happening

[DPG21920]

scro the Spurs have no frontcourt to speak of. Tim Duncan averages like 4ppg against the Lakers and Bynum, Odom and Gasol are going to take a steaming on them come playoff time.

So in essence the Spurs will be reduced to jumpshooting too once Philip packs the paint (like he always do about this tiiiiiime).

If this was the NCAA tourney then the Spurs would look good, but this is the NBA, and good guard play will only take you so far

Spurs have more of an inside presence than the Mavs. Tim, even in a reduced role is still 10x the post player that either Tyson or Dirk is.

Spurs do have a front court, but of course no one's front court matches up with LA's. But at least the Spurs have a back court advantage to help overcome that. TP and Manu have the ability to play like super stars. Mavs don't have that.

[Pelicans78]

Tbh, Memphis is the kind of team that could give the Spurs a little trouble. Definitely won't beat them, but with their frontcourt, could still a game or two. Really, the Spurs should make it to the WCF pretty easily.

[Axe Murderer]

Spurs have more of an inside presence than the Mavs. Tim, even in a reduced role is still 10x the post player that either Tyson or Dirk is.

Spurs do have a front court, but of course no one's front court matches up with LA's. But at least the Spurs have a back court advantage to help overcome that. TP and Manu have the ability to play like super stars. Mavs don't have that.

ok

[monosylab1k]

Not an all-star

Sounds like a guy that isn't great and isn't terrible.

Now if I were to describe something/someone that is neither great nor terrible, is neither one of the best nor one of the worst, is not too hot or not too cold....hmmm what word would that be? What.....word.....could....I.....use????

[DPG21920]

Tbh, Memphis is the kind of team that could give the Spurs a little trouble. Definitely won't beat them, but with their frontcourt, could still a game or two. Really, the Spurs should make it to the WCF pretty easily.

Memphis is a tough match up for the Spurs. Like people said, they aren't great, but they have enough fire power and size that they can make life difficult. For the Mavs and/or the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

ok

Is what I said not true?

[Pelicans78]

Spurs have more of an inside presence than the Mavs. Tim, even in a reduced role is still 10x the post player that either Tyson or Dirk is.

Spurs do have a front court, but of course no one's front court matches up with LA's. But at least the Spurs have a back court advantage to help overcome that. TP and Manu have the ability to play like super stars. Mavs don't have that.

Rather take Dirk's overall offense over Duncan's post office and definitely would rather take Chandler's post defense over Duncan. Chandler can cover more ground and is alot more active. I gave the Mavs frontcourt the edge over the Spurs, but I like the Spurs perimeter over the Mavs.

[DPG21920]

Sounds like a guy that isn't great and isn't terrible.

Now if I were to describe something/someone that is neither great nor terrible, is neither one of the best nor one of the worst, is not too hot or not too cold....hmmm what word would that be? What.....word.....could....I.....use????

U Mad?

[monosylab1k]

In a 7 game series Spurs and Lakers both will beat the Mavericks. I've yet to see anything to make me believe anything else.

Out of the lower seeds, Memphis is the one team that I feel sure would beat Dallas, which of course is why the basketball gods will make sure that matchup happens.

[Axe Murderer]

Is what I said not true?

no

[Axe Murderer]

Tim, even in a reduced role is still 10x the post player that either Tyson or Dirk is.

Derrick Favors is a better post player than Dirk as well.

Who would you rather have on your team?

[Nick Manning]

Dallas' bigs are much better equipt to defend LA then SA's, tbh. Spurs have better guard play though. Guard play won't save you against Los Angeles though...it never does

[DPG21920]

tyson/dirk/marion/haywood get more combined points in the paint than duncan, that's why. dirk is the best offensive player in the league and the true mvp, that's the ONLY reason along with solid defensive bigs and shooters.

Rather take Dirk's overall offense over Duncan's post office and definitely would rather take Chandler's post defense over Duncan. Chandler can cover more ground and is alot more active. I gave the Mavs frontcourt the edge over the Spurs, but I like the Spurs perimeter over the Mavs.

Uh, the Mavs have no true post player. I'm not comparing Tim vs Dirk overall offense. I'm saying the Spurs actually have someone who plays inside. Then not only that, they have at least two guys that can be offensive superstars in TP and Manu. They have more talent.

[DPG21920]

Derrick Favors is a better post player than Dirk as well.

Who would you rather have on your team?

That misses the point entirely.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Def. no reason to lose this game, getting outscored 41-23 in the 3rd is just stupid.
Not so concerned about LA picking up a game considering we have to see
them on Saturday and can pick it back up with a W. Issue all season has been the
Mavs inability to sustain a lead. Overall not too concerned, knew a loss was coming
and can get it back against Minnesota Monday.

Couple bright spots were Roddy and Brewer, both played well I felt. Sucks that the 2 losses have been by end of thegame jumpers but .... thats the NBA.
Let's go get it tommorow, hopefully TC is back

[Pelicans78]

Uh, the Mavs have no true post player. I'm not comparing Tim vs Dirk overall offense. I'm saying the Spurs actually have someone who plays inside. Then not only that, they have at least two guys that can be offensive superstars in TP and Manu. They have more talent.

Duncan's post offense isn't gonna be too effective against Chandler. Really, its not going to be much of an option. The Spurs are going to win with penetration and kick out.

[Axe Murderer]

That misses the point entirely.

how the does that miss the point?

You're basically saying over and over that Duncan is worse than Dirk but a better post player so I compared him to another guy who's a worse player but also plays in the post. If you somehow can't connect the dots I can't help you.

[DPG21920]

Dallas' bigs are much better equipt to defend LA then SA's, tbh. Spurs have better guard play though. Guard play won't save you against Los Angeles though...it never does

Dirk is a non-issue defensively against LA, so unless you are saying there is some large gap between TC and Duncan defensively, I have to disagree. Mavs have 0 offensive presence in the post. Spurs have some with Tim. They also have some elite guard talent, and even their 4th option on the wing, RJ, has talent and can go for 20 on any given night.

Mavs just don't have enough talent and they aren't good enough defensively to overcome that.

Spurs are better than the Mavs in almost every area of the game IMO and while Dirk is the best player in that series, that is no where near enough to overcome all of the other trouble areas.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Spurs are better than the Mavs in almost every area of the game .

I'll be sure to bump this come April

[DPG21920]

Spurs have more of an inside presence than the Mavs. Tim, even in a reduced role is still 10x the post player that either Tyson or Dirk is.

Spurs do have a front court, but of course no one's front court matches up with LA's. But at least the Spurs have a back court advantage to help overcome that. TP and Manu have the ability to play like super stars. Mavs don't have that.

ok

Is what I said not true?

no

Derrick Favors is a better post player than Dirk as well.

Who would you rather have on your team?

The point was saying that (offensively) the Spurs do have someone in the low post and comparing Tim to Favors makes you an idiot.

The other point was that overall, the Spurs have talent in other areas to help overcome the short comings in the front court that no one can compare to (LA).

That does not make the Spurs the favorites, but what I am saying is that overall, the Spurs have a guy in Duncan that is a HoF that you can count on to win you a game still at times AND they have TP/Manu who are capable of being all-star type players.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

So what's the debate here?? that SA is better than Dallas? Or that SA is a better match up against LA then Dallas???? I would of thought today would of shut that up

[Nick Manning]

Dirk is a non-issue defensively against LA, so unless you are saying there is some large gap between TC and Duncan defensively, I have to disagree. Mavs have 0 offensive presence in the post. Spurs have some with Tim. They also have some elite guard talent, and even their 4th option on the wing, RJ, has talent and can go for 20 on any given night.

Mavs just don't have enough talent and they aren't good enough defensively to overcome that.

Spurs are better than the Mavs in almost every area of the game IMO and while Dirk is the best player in that series, that is no where near enough to overcome all of the other trouble areas.

TC>>>>Duncan defensively, imho. Agree to disagree.

RJ? really bro? He had a nice start to the season, but he's been a festering turd since then. I'll take Ron-Ron to effectively win that matchup in a series. The Lakers pretty much concede that the opponents PG will go off while they shut everybody else down.

I think the Spurs are better than the Mavs by virtue of HCA, but SA matches up terribly with the Lakers in the playoffs while the Mavs have some favorable matchups (albeit not enough, tho)

[DPG21920]

there's no other possible explanation other than you are overrating your own players and underrating ours. if the spurs players are so good and the mav players suck so bad then it wouldn't be this close. it's an error on your part. the mavs have decent defense and rebounding, good ball movement, and shooters to compliment the biggest offensive threat in the league. that's only enough to take us so far.

That is a credit to Dirk's greatness. You are overrating the regular season, just like last year (not a GNSF taunt). The Mavs lacked enough offensive talent last year in the playoffs and they are WORSE this year in that department. Dirk is great enough to win a load of regular season games and keep them close.

I am looking at things for playoff success. The way the Spurs are built from top to bottom (Overall talent, offensive options, defense, bench, coaching...) is more conducive to winning in the PO.

I'm not saying there is some monumental gap like the Spurs would sweep. I am saying the Spurs are better for the reasons I mentioned, namely, I'll take Tim v. Dirk due to Tim's pedigree more than the Mavs will take their backcourt vs TP/Manu.

[DPG21920]

I'll be sure to bump this come April

Did you bump it last year when the Spurs won? What has changed? What tilts it in the Mavs favor? The loss of Caron? Or the pick up of Peja?

[Axe Murderer]

The point was saying that (offensively) the Spurs do have someone in the low post and comparing Tim to Favors makes you an idiot.

Playing in the low post doesn't mean that you're also effective.

At this stage of career, Duncan will not be able to take over games so it doesn't matter.

If he's such an effective post player, how do you explain his 2 point performance today? Doesn't really sound like a guy who can be called upon in the playoffs.

On top of that, Chandler defends Duncan as well as anybody in the league.