Baylor Men's Basketball is Back

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will come raining down on Baylor soon enough, maybe not just yet, but it will. Drew's established bad recruiting practices and a bad reputation with a lot of people, they are going to be keeping a close watch on that program now.

I'll be pretty disappointed if they haven't been keeping close watch on the program ever since Drew came in. If the Baylor program's dirty, I hope they get everything they deserve, but until then I'm going to enjoy it. The good players have to go somewhere.

[JMarkJohns]

I guess we'll see about the credibility of your sources if something does come out about Baylor paying players, because that's what you suggested.

Didn't suggest. Directly stated. Just to clarify. Even if nothing comes of it, my sources are top notch, paid writers for recruiting sites with connections to AAU and high school coaches, players, handlers, parents and college programs.

Oh, and, BTW, I called Baylor as dirty months before these recent reports ever saw the light of day in this thread, which is why DoK responded with "looks like you called it" after my initial post of "$$$" in this thread. These recent reports are confirmation that my sources know what's what.

[AFBlue]

Didn't suggest. Directly stated. Just to clarify. Even if nothing comes of it, my sources are top notch, paid writers for recruiting sites with connections to AAU and high school coaches, players, handlers, parents and college programs.

Oh, and, BTW, I called Baylor as dirty months before these recent reports ever saw the light of day in this thread, which is why DoK responded with "looks like you called it" after my initial post of "$$$" in this thread. These recent reports are confirmation that my sources know what's what.

The recent reports suggest nothing about "$$$". The recent report (singular) is about a potential investigation over texts sent to a prospect.

[JMarkJohns]

The recent reports suggest nothing about "$$$". The recent report (singular) is about a potential investigation over texts sent to a prospect.

Read between the lines and trust what I'm saying (about many, many programs, but specifically, within this thread, of Baylor).

So there's no way an AAU coach, a college basketball program and money could all be intertwined, right?

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With so many scandals involving agents and money going down these days in college sports, the NCAA isn't happy about it. They want to eliminate agents and money from being involved in their organization.

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Brian Clifton of D-One Sports - is Bello and Miller's AAU coach.

And that same school that Dwon was hired by two years ago to lure in another top recruit who played for D-One Sports - Baylor - is getting Bello and Miller.

So does that mean the Cliftons still have a strong connection with Drew and Baylor, even though Dwon is now working for Wall in the NBA?

It seems that way.

Money goes beyond just recruits, including to handlers, and the Clifton's have successfully "placed" a few high recruits already and attempted to place at least one other. You can be damn sure the "$$$" makes its way to the recruits through a filtering system while they are at college, or, these eventual stars get discounted service/back-logged payment once they forgo college eligibility.

[JMarkJohns]

Hahahaha... It's OK. It sucks it happened, but I TOLD YOU!

Baylor freshman Perry Jones is suspended for Wednesday night's Big 12 tournament opener against Oklahoma and could be finished for the season, according to multiple media outlets.

The NCAA ordered the suspension for the rest of the season for Jones receiving improper benefits, according to multiple reports. Baylor is appealing the suspension, Yahoo! Sports reported.

Jones, who is averaging 13.8 points and 7.2 rebounds per game for the Bears, has been projected as a lottery pick if he opts to enter the NBA draft, so this could spell the end of his Baylor career.

Austin television station KEYE first reported the suspension.

[Kyle Orton]

[Axe Murderer]

[Kyle Orton]

You can talk to almost any UA fan on this site. I've got connections and typically call things a day or two before the news breaks publicly via private message or profile message. But hey, discount me because you don't know me.

Tbh, true story, I always get info from JMark about UA and it ends up being right, not that you needed me to tell you at this point

[JMarkJohns]

Reportedly one of the obvious benefits was Perry driving a nice new car around campus all season. For what it's worth, my source just said this is just the tip.

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What I found interesting is that there were loans mentioned to his mother that "were paid back in a timely fashion". Since Jones hasn't gotten a job, where did the money come from to pay the loans back? I don't think the NCAA gives marks for good credit.

This is great timing for Drew and the Bears. They now have an excuse for failing so miserably to live up to expectations, as well as for rolling over like little es for Oklahoma.

[Thompson]

Reportedly one of the obvious benefits was Perry driving a nice new car around campus all season. For what it's worth, my source just said this is just the tip.

Do your sources indicate at all how bad this is likely to get (death penalty, etc.)?

Have you heard of any other programs that could be facing similar problems?

OV, I feel bad for you, but I have to admit I was glad Baylor wasn't making the tournament after turning a blind eye to Dunn's battery.

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Meh, don't worry about me. The NCAA should be broken up.

If Baylor ed up, they deserve puhisnment as far as I'm concerned. They damn well should know better. They're lucky their probation from the Bliss disaster ran out last year. I don't know if that's the right word or not, but any infraction would have resulted in a harsher punishment. I didn't think they did anything all that wrong with regard to what Dunn did, and they preemtively suspended him, but the combined smell starts to mount if they were letting Jones drive around Waco in an expensive car. Also remember that Baylor was in the running for John Wall, when they were going to hire his coach or something, a pretty clear end-run around the rules. Any one thing individually can probably be overlooked by fans, but there are supposed to be compliance officers and people that know better.

I've long been on record saying that there was nothing improper about Baylor being chosen for the Big 12, but if they're turning out to be just as dirty as they were this soon after the Bliss thing, I'd like to see them booted.

[JMarkJohns]

Do your sources indicate at all how bad this is likely to get (death penalty, etc.)?

Have you heard of any other programs that could be facing similar problems?

It's a matter of finding the connecting evidence. It's not always easy as many programs have real good funnel systems to get the benefits from the university boosters to coaches to handlers/parents to the players. By the time the player sees something, it's tough to locate the origins. My guy says Drew is as dirty as they get, but he's smart as well. We'll see. I've been saying this for almost two years. Net entirely in this thread, but here and there on this site.

As for other programs, I have four off the top of my head that we've discussed, but the connections are as strong. Kentucky is one pretty obvious one, and we've both long discussed Self at Kansas. A few years back a rule was implemented that prevented parents from being hired by programs to attain players' services. Self had done this several times, most notably with Julian Wright's and Mario Chalmers' fathers. Later this rule was amended to include AAU coaches and HS coaches as both Self and Drew utilized the loophole. Self's connection with Townsend has also proven to be a concern.

[Whisky Dog]

Scott Drew is the clown prince of dirty tactics. Every aspect of his recruiting is filthy

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Scott Drew is the clown prince of dirty tactics. Every aspect of his recruiting is filthy

If that turns out to be the case, especially after all the 'convincing guys to come be part of something special' , I hope they get crucified.

That said, your post still reeks of butthurt.

[DMX7]

Scott Drew is the clown prince of dirty tactics. Every aspect of his recruiting is filthy

This.

Baylor isn't getting the death penalty though, and frankly, it doesn't deserve it when you consider how common this kind of thing is.

[Kyle Orton]

Baylor, even tho their program has been dirty in the past, shouldn't get the stiffest penalty if things are as bad as they could be. Drew should. The NCAA needs to start punishing coaches for recruiting violations not just programs, if it's bad enough they could make a great example of Drew with a 2-3 year ban and a warning that the next coach to be caught gets a lifetime ban.

[JMarkJohns]

The problem is, while this may only be the tip of the iceberg, unless the connections are made, the penalties won't be levied. I'd love to see Yahoo! sink their investigative reporters into the situation. There's been plenty of red flags within the last few years including the Cliftons, Dunn, Perry that it warrants the thorough examination.

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Baylor, even tho their program has been dirty in the past, shouldn't get the stiffest penalty if things are as bad as they could be. Drew should. The NCAA needs to start punishing coaches for recruiting violations not just programs, if it's bad enough they could make a great example of Drew with a 2-3 year ban and a warning that the next coach to be caught gets a lifetime ban.

[Whisky Dog]

If that turns out to be the case, especially after all the 'convincing guys to come be part of something special' , I hope they get crucified.

That said, your post still reeks of butthurt.

Rofl I have no reason to be butthurt, we beat Baylor both times this season.

Seriously though, I hadn't heard about all of the money changing hands until this broke, but what I had heard (through my father and other Texas HS basketball coaches) were the very personal and dirty tactics Drew uses in recruiting. He would tell recruits blatant lies about other programs and coaches in the Big 12 as part of a smear campaign. By all accounts Rick Barnes is a pretty classy coach and gets along with everyone, but even he can't stand Drew for the horrible lying and tactics he uses. Add that to this dirty money business and he's an overall nasty, nasty coach.

[Blake]

We all know drew is dirty.

So does baylor.

baylor. They deserve whatever theyve got coming.

[Axe Murderer]

tbh I know Perry Jones' AAU team that committed the penalty and their coach is up there with Drew as far as slimeball tactics go

lol Seawolves

lol Coach Lowe

[baseline bum]

LOL... I knew there had to be something under the table getting Jones to Baylor, just like there was when OJ Mayo skipped out on all the great programs to go to ing USC. LOL, I can't wait to see how much Baylor had to pay Isiah Austin to commit there.

[JMarkJohns]

LOL... I knew there had to be something under the table getting Jones to Baylor, just like there was when OJ Mayo skipped out on all the great programs to go to ing USC. LOL, I can't wait to see how much Baylor had to pay Isiah Austin to commit there.

Yep...

BTW, for UCLA fans just to now how good my sources are, my Cali guy says UCLA is in tight and is likely the program to land Shabazz Muhammed, a top-5 prospect out of Las Vegas many consider one of the best scoring prospects from the west coast in years. I'll call it now based on his predictions in the past and say UCLA lands Shabazz. Will be a huge coup for UCLA when it happens.

A lot can change, but I'm 100% in my sources.

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Muhammed would be nice since the Bruins haven't had a top-flight prospect like that since Jrue Holiday. I wonder how much they'd be paying, lol.