112 Cruise missiles - What a mistake

[DMX7]

You are the reason this country is so dumb. You are a waste of oxygen.

[Wild Cobra]

You are the reason this country is so dumb. You are a waste of oxygen.

I would say because of the likes of you. However, I served in the Army for 11 years and would fight for your right to be ignorant and stupid if necessary.

[ElNono]

I would say because of the likes of you. However, I served in the Army for 11 years and would fight for your right to be ignorant and stupid if necessary.

So you're gonna pull the Army card every time somebody calls you dumb?
It's a strawman, btw. Serving was your choice and has nothing to do with how you're perceived.

[greyforest]

WC didn't say anything terribly inflammable like in other threads.

[MannyIsGod]

His reputation precedes him.

[LnGrrrR]

First wave of allied assault: 112 cruise missiles

Why are we defending those trying to take over an established government when we do it in the name of humanity, then kill so many ourselves?

What's wrong here...

You're against interventionism now?

[LnGrrrR]

Kadafi is definitely not a kind leader. however, the US and UN are now interfering with a sovereign nations rights to defend itself against enemies, foreign and domestic.

I'll give 5:1 odd that if Kadafi is overthrown, we will have a worse government in the aftermath to deal with than under his leadership.

Are you sure you're not talking about Iraq?

[mingus]

who the are these rebels that we're supporting anyway? it appears we know nothing about them other than the fact that they like firing bullets into the air.

[ChumpDumper]

You're right. Iraq was a different war for a different reason.

Please don't be so dumb as to confuse the two.

As for believing it needed to be done? The same belief lead to the overthrow of the Iranian government in 1979. Look what we have there now. I see Libya as another Iran.

Yeah, Carter's no-fly zone over Iran really did the Shah in.

[rascal]

Whatever...

Remember. I did say I hope I'm wrong.

Don't worry you're wrong most of the time.

[AFBlue]

I'm disturbed by how this became a personal attack on one poster rather than a discussion about whether the UN should be "defensively" engaging in an internal conflict. Does anyone in this thread other than the OP have an actual position, or are you just content to criticize him on this position based on ones he's had in the past?

I invite you to not be so negative and condescending.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm disturbed by how this became a personal attack on one poster rather than a discussion about whether the UN should be "defensively" engaging in an internal conflict. Does anyone in this thread other than the OP have an actual position, or are you just content to criticize him on this position based on ones he's had in the past?

I invite you to not be so negative and condescending.

You shouldn't expect much from them. They don't have any good responses, so they can only criticize.

[greyforest]

You shouldn't expect much from them. They don't have any good responses, so they can only criticize.

Hey I had your back.

The reason to post on a political forum is to meld others viewpoints with your own...if you see someone doing that you probably shouldn't all over them when they're being sensible

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are two ways to see this.

The first is from an ethical standpoint. Wilddumbass tends towards this idea but as usual he misses the point.

Its not about how military force is brought to bear but rather is the use of force ethical. Complaining about death in war is like complaining about sex at an orgy.

I understand the ethical dilemma of interference in another countries internal politics.

I personally believe that this notion is at best naive. Every nation state in history does it and does it all the time.

This brings me to the second approach which is the utilitarian.

If we want any sort of credibility in the region or with our Allies for that matter, we had to get involved.

For other Mediterranean states Libya has been analagous to Chavez as is to us. France, Spain and Italy absolutely have to be salivating at the idea of an African coast without Khadafi.

The Arab League asked us to intervene.

That bears repeating.

The Arab League asked us to interfere.

For them to ask us to help clean up is huge from a diplomatic standpoint and that has ripple effects throughout the region. Their stance certainly did not come lightly. They last did when they asked us to get involved in Kuwait.

then there is this whole populist movement going on in Mediterranean muslim states.

To not seize this opportunity to be unerringly viewed on the side of good in this culture wide phenomenon would have been a blunder of epic proportion.

[Cry Havoc]

lol Kadafi

[Cry Havoc]

As long as we don't get involved in ground missions, I really have no problem with a no-fly zone... same as Bush Sr did in Iraq.

This x 100000

If we start moving in with any heavy troops, it's going to be a massive mistake. Better not happen.

There are two ways to see this.

The first is from an ethical standpoint. Wilddumbass tends towards this idea but as usual he misses the point.

Its not about how military force is brought to bear but rather is the use of force ethical. Complaining about death in war is like complaining about sex at an orgy.

I understand the ethical dilemma of interference in another countries internal politics.

I personally believe that this notion is at best naive. Every nation state in history does it and does it all the time.

This brings me to the second approach which is the utilitarian.

If we want any sort of credibility in the region or with our Allies for that matter, we had to get involved.

For other Mediterranean states Libya has been analagous to Chavez as is to us. France, Spain and Italy absolutely have to be salivating at the idea of an African coast without Khadafi.

The Arab League asked us to intervene.

That bears repeating.

The Arab League asked us to interfere.

For them to ask us to help clean up is huge from a diplomatic standpoint and that has ripple effects throughout the region. Their stance certainly did not come lightly. They last did when they asked us to get involved in Kuwait.

then there is this whole populist movement going on in Mediterranean muslim states.

To not seize this opportunity to be unerringly viewed on the side of good in this culture wide phenomenon would have been a blunder of epic proportion.

Astonishingly well-put.

[admiralsnackbar]

This x 100000

If we start moving in with any heavy troops, it's going to be a massive mistake. Better not happen.



Astonishingly well-put.

I'm gonna go ahead and +1 that. Thanks for the insight, FL.

[MannyIsGod]

The Arab League played us.

The Arab League didn't ask us to intervene, they signed on and then promptly decided to criticize the action publicly yesterday. Let me know when the Arab League wants us to intervene in places like Bahrain, Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia.

These attacks are bad for so many ing reasons and Obama has yet to explain to us or congress just what the we're doing.

Say what you want about the Bushes, at least they made the case for war in the public and not behind closed doors before rushing off. Transparency my ass.

[lefty]

Each missile costs 1 million $

112 Millions that could have been put to better use, I'm sure

[nkdlunch]

Each missile costs 1 million $

112 Millions that could have been put to better use, I'm sure

that's chump change bro

[boutons_deux]

"at least they made the case for war in the public"

Yes, the Repugs LIED in public about invading Iraq.

[nkdlunch]

U.S. Casualties of Iraq War: 5,000 dead 32,000 wounded

U.S. Casualties of Lybian War: 0 dead 0 wounded

I think it's fair to say the jury is still out on Lybia being a worst decision than Iraq.

I'm gonna go ahead and bet Lybia won't even be close to the up called Iraq.

[Sportcamper]

Props to Obama for using the French to soften them up…

[nkdlunch]

[boutons_deux]

Gates: U.S. expects to hand off Libya lead in 'days'

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...es-libya_N.htm


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