Reply With QuoteI guess by headlights you mean J.Howard? DA was big for us all year, and would have been in the playoffs if not for the cheap shot. How soon we forget........
uhm we all liked da once he got here.
it was once he left that you all turned sour on him
I guess by headlights you mean J.Howard? DA was big for us all year, and would have been in the playoffs if not for the cheap shot. How soon we forget........
I was never pissed at DA. I'm just pointing out that he struggled in those playoffs before the Howard clothesline.
Magette over Jack???
Magette couldnt hit a clutch shot if his life DEPENDED on it.
He coy use your head, stats mean jack .
Duncan also who is VERY VERY tight with Jack, prob wouldnt like loosing him and David in one offseason.
Keep the big man happy.
duncan was also tight with antonio
go back to the little kids table tpark the adults are talkin
lmao.
DA's biggest problem was streaky shooting, well other than bad PR.
I'd rather have jax. For one thing, I love the loyalty aspect our franchise projects, and I think Jax has earned a spot on this team and the chance to prove he can contribute.
Thats what it boils down to for me. I don't see enough of an upside in magette to just throw jax away after what he did for this team this year.
Yes, it is a business, but I'd like to think that there are other things in the equation as well.
no one says we gotta get rid of jackson to get maggette
WTF would you want Manu, Jax AND Magette?
Maybe we could bring back antonio daniels too, , surround Duncan with nothing but 2 guards!!!
Its overkill, money can be better spent.
T-Park: I assume by coy you mean coz, so here is my opinion on the Jack vs Maggette thing:
Jack has been a project for a while, he is still very turnover prone, and still has a suspect outside shot. He is not a great finisher. Let's look at the facts. Jaren Jackson lit it up from the outside when he was on the Spurs. Steve Kerr looked like a hero this playoffs. Teams give our outside shooters room to operate, and guess what, they make a few shots. The Spurs dominance inside makes these guys look like all stars, and that is not the case.
Take for example the Lakers. Rick Fox, Derick Fisher, would these guys start for any other team in the league? If you put a dominant big man inside, the game is so much easier for the perimeter players.
Now, as far as projects go: Maggette > Jack
Maggette is more athletic, has a better BBall history(as far as NBA grooming), seems to have a great work ethic. Has gotten better every year. Can finish with the best of them. Has a very good outside shot, and a decent midrange game.
Jack is a good player, but his head worries me. He can disappear for an entire half, or an entire game. Everything Jack does well, Maggette can do as well if not better.
Outside shot (3 ball) : Maggette > Jack
- Maggette has no Duncan, and does not get the looks Jack does, yet he shoots at a higher percentage. Maggette (.332) Jack(.320)
Field Goals in general : Maggette > Jack
- again, creating with no significant help, Maggette shoots better than Jack. Maggette(.444), Jack(.427)
Turn Overs : Maggette > Jack
- OK, the numbers aren't with me on this one (Maggette = 2.3 in 31.3 minutes, Jack = 2.2 in 28.2 minutes) but bear with me. Maggette has to create more, and doesn't have the luxury of the set offense through the best player on the planet. This is why I go with Maggette.
Maggette is worth 16.8 PPG while Jack is worth 11.8. I'll take the extra 5 PPG any day. I also believe that in the right system, Maggette can blossom into an elite player, I don't think the same can be said for Jack. He can be a solid NBA pro, but the Maggette upside is just too good.
Clutch: SJackson > Maggette
Having the biggest balls west of the Mississippi doesn't show up in stats.
That is a guess, we haven't seen Maggette in a tight spot. My guess is the kid would perform well. Also, if we are kicking the crap out of every team, we won't need a clutch shot to win it. Jack may have hit some big shots, but he did some stupid throughout the game to make that shot necessary.
take about 4 points off his 16 a game cause thats going to Duncan and others.
Magette showed me he couldnt hit shots in the lcutch with the clippers.
Against the Spurs, Lakers, ANYBODY.
Jack is ALWAYS money along with Ginobili in clutch time.
Take into account Duncan, Jack >>>> Magettte.
Consider thigns OUTSIDE OF FREAKING STATS PEOPLE.
Stats do NOT tell the WHOLE story.
DO NOT compare players on stats.
Damn watch the games and look at how either or would fit into systems.
Cory Magette is Overatted imo, the only thing he can do better is MAYBE shoot free throws and Jack looked pretty damn good at that against Phoenix and LA.
right onHaving the biggest balls west of the Mississippi doesn't show up in stats.
This is a guess, but Corey Maggette has put up some stats playing for a lottery team.
T-Park, how would you prefer we compare them, shoe size? SAT score? haircuts?
I watched plenty of Clipper games this year, and Maggete can flat out play. He is big, strong, fast, and seems intelligent with the ball. Jarren Jackson was clutch for us one year, where the did that get us. My point is that Maggette is the superior player, and the only thing you people say is "clutch". That is frickin homer nonsense. I saw just as many games where Buckets disappeared down the stretch.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm good with Buckets for the most part. I just see Maggette as a HUGE upgrade. I would prefer the Spurs, instead of paying Jack, spend money on securing Manu, signing Brand, and bringing over Maggette.
Any advantages Maggette may have from a statistical standpoint are made up for by Jack's clutch shooting, loyalty to this team, and the fact he'll cost about half as much as Maggette.
Value.
Hmmm. "Homer nonsense"?
ing Jack brought the Spurs back from the dead in that game 6 at Dallas while Maggette and his superior play was in Cancun or wherever. Don't even start with a Jaren Jackson comparison because there is none.
Yes, though you might not believe it, a proven ability to perform in big moments is of value.
And before I forget: TOENAIL.
Also wtf is the assumption that Maggette in SA replaces SJackson? Ginobili is slated to be the future 2 and SJax the 3.
Coz, quit trying to fix something that is not broken.
You think Corey has improved but Sjax has not? Why do you think sjax is even in the rotation? It is not because we don't have enough sg/sf on the bench. It is because he has improved defensively and he in turnovers per minute.
sjax at 6'8 can play the sf, while corey at 6'6 weighs the same but lacks the overall size and wingspan.
Clutch shooting is a commodity of its own, and outweighs the points that corey gets from going to the line more.
If we do get a star player (kidd, oneal, malone, brand <<<(pipe dream this year), where do the shots come from? Drob was hardly getting any, and they will certainly not come from parker or manu's shots.
They will probably come from sjax's (and/or bowen, esp. if sjax starts at the 3.)
Maggette is just too risky, it is a costly upgrade that is marginal at best. Why pay alot for a slight upgrade at best when we really need a starting quality big?
I make a run at Odom before maggette anyway...
The same question can be asked of other potential moves this offseason.Why pay alot for a slight upgrade at best when we really need a starting quality big?
because Kidd on the spurs > Maggette on the spurs
Duh.
DA sucked some serious ass long before the playoffs. He shot something like 32% for 3 months before the playoffs. He started strong but finished terribly and never seemed to be very clutch.I guess by headlights you mean J.Howard? DA was big for us all year, and would have been in the playoffs if not for the cheap shot. How soon we forget........
Anyhow, some good points are made here on both sides. I think Magette may well be the better player but it's hard to tell because they're both don't have much experience yet.
The only things that bug me about Magette are:
1) Cost. We need to secure a big first.
2) The "toenail" incident.
3) Gives up 2" in height to Jackson so not as versatile.
If it were up to me, I'd do my best to slide Jack to the 3 next year off the bench and let him try to earn Bowen's job (which he should hopefully be able to do). Jack is best at being a spot up shooter until he can improve his ball handling and the 3 requires much less creating. Manu clearly deserves to start at the 2 I think.
Some other things Jack has going for him:
1) Fearless.
2) Very cap friendly.
3) Very tough (ie. plays through injuries).
4) Playoff and Finals experience (big!).
5) Wants to improve.
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