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+1 Bulls are winning with their defense, which he's not really a part of. Still a top ten player though.
I love how stat guys hate on rose now ... just like Kobe and ESPECIALLY Iverson. Watch the games people. Rose is amazing.
Not sure he is the MVP I can see both sides of the debate ...but those that say he is not a top 5 player are crazy. And As good as Nash was offensively in his MVP years he was not as good as Rose is this year Nash is an amazing shooter/passer ... but the plays that rose makes in big games demoralizes the opposing defense. his drives and dunks hushes the crowd on the road and incites the ones in chicago. Plus he is improving on defense. That is why stats can never tell the whole story ...sure Lebron is having a better season stats wise (Wade kobe Dwight dirk are too) but watch that last Bulls vs. Heat game in Miami ...and tell me Rose was not the best player when it mattered most?
+1 Bulls are winning with their defense, which he's not really a part of. Still a top ten player though.
He's a 6'2 point guard who gets the kitchen sink thrown at him defensively and has to take the majority of the bail out shots. It's not like he can cherry pick for easy dunks and layups to boost his FG% like Bron and Wade.
Ummmmm no. Lebron made his own bed now he has to lay in it. An attention who announces his free agency in a TV special to form a superteam, dances on a stage like a moron claiming is going to be easy and then starts out with a .500 record and gets their collective asses kicked by every elite team in the league while beating only crap teams, going on multiple 4+ game losing streaks choking TIME AFTER TIME in the clutch and then crying about in the lockerroom isn't getting the MVPGive this MVP award to Lebron James, because Lebron is the best and MVP in the league (See Cleveland's record). Rose winning it is going to be a huge joke just like Kobe making All NBA Defense teams for the past 8 yrs.
I can't stand this anymore. The media has ruined the prestige of all these awards.Forget about it. It would be a ing travesty to give Lebron the award.
I know the league and the dumbass fans have the memory span of a gnat but the Bulls have been steady all season long despite injuries to key players. They haven't lost more than 2 games in a row all season and have kicked every single elite team in the ass. Rose has the numbers, his team is winning at a consistent clip and he's put up the performances to justify it. No problem at all with him being MVP.
Speaking of Cleveland's record, and more specifically the people who bring it up as their primary argument for LeBron for MVP. I love how so many people fail to realize that Maimi's record at the end of this season will be worse than Cleveland's last season. Basically when making this particular argument, you and the others like you, are saying that the players surrounding LeBron this year are in fact worse than those he played with last year. You know, since Bron is responsible for every one of his team's wins and his "supporting cast" are the ones responsible for the losses.
Now, of course LeBron leaving has played a major part in Clevelands downfall, but quit using their record to promote LeBron for MVP. He's not even the Most Valuable Player on his own team.
Last edited by Bito Corleone; 03-23-2011 at 05:27 PM.
Meh, the only bigger travesty seems to be to give it to the best player on the best team. Not much chance of that now that he's out. At least the Bulls are in first place in the east now. The MVP is almost always given to the guy that's talked up the most. Dwight Howard seemed like a shoo-in at the beginning of the year. That would have been a bigger travesty than Rose.
Dwight Howard was 2nd in MVP buzz to start the season. It was Kevin Durant's to lose especially after the hype of the World Championship games and him being annointed the golden boy in opposition to Lebron's narcissicism. Unfortunately for Durant he came out of the gates slow the first month of the season and Russell Westbrook had the fast start, stole KD's thunder (no-pun), and made himself just as important to the success of OKC as Durant.
I must have been listening to different buzz than you were or Durant's didn't last very long. Howard seemed to be the sexy pick right out of the gate. I know what you're saying though; OKC was the sexy team pick based on their series with the Lakers.
1) Dwight
2)Lebron
3)Rose
4)Dirk
Not saying he is not the MVP of the heat ...despite some clutch failings ..I believe he still is. BUT the Cavs record argument is dumb on two counts.
1. Like Corleone points out the Heat have a worse record than last year and the MVP is for THIS year. Plus the Cavs lost more than Lebron (though he was the stud) so that is no where close to the same squad. Shaq, Z, Mo, Varejao all left or were traded or injured so the Cavs lost a lot more than the king.
2. Rose not only has led a weaker cast (THIS YEAR) to a better record than Lebron's but when they have met headtohead Rose has been the best player and at times Lebron has been third ...
The award is not just about who is the best player but who is having teh best season. For me, that is Rose. sure a case can be made for: Lebron, howard, Kobe, Wade and Dirk. But the kid deseves this ...
A "travesty" is a little severe. He is a deserving candidate. As of now, I would put him 3rd . . .
1 Howard
2 Nowitzki
3 Rose
Worst argument ever.
Dirk should be the MVP, he's having an incredible shooting season
and no team w/ 33 YO Jason Terry as its 2nd option has any business being 49-21
Lebron is easily behind those other 3 in this race.
Rose
Dirk
Kobe
Wow what a well thought out reply! Exaggerate much? You dis agree that the cavs lost 3 starters including lebron? That is a fact genius.
Terrible argument that has already been laughed off the board.
By who please elaborate so u say its terrible? Please enlighten me?
son in 07-08 Chris Paul put up 21 and 12 on 49% shooting and led the entire league in assist, steals, win shares, and double doubles, and led the Hornets to a franchise best 56 wins and still didn't win the MVP due to the media awarding Kobe with a bogus lifetime achievement award. The real MVP rarely ever wins in the NBA.
Please, please DPG laugh me off this thread with your infinite basketball wisdom and superior intellect. While you prepare another well thought out pithy comeback, allow me to retort.
1. First of all I have mad respect for Lebron james. IF He gets the MVP I have no quibble with it most dominant force in the game (although Dwight is making a strong push as the most dominant too) and i hope he fulfills he destiny (not this season) as the GOAT but IF rose gets it I believe he and Dwight have the best opposing argument.
2. I STILL stand by that to use the "Look at the Cavs record THIS YEAR" ... is asinine. One of the key lineups (and arguably best) for the Cavs last year was: C Shaq or Z PF Verejao SF James SG West PG Mo williams. ALL of those guys are gone. Heck even Leon Powe is not on the team or Danny green. Out of the ones that were still on the roster pre-season, and post-trade, (Mo gibson, Jamison, Hickson) Only Jamison and Hickson had played 41 or more games at the all-star break for the Cavs ...THIS year. Even if you dismiss West who was dealing with issues and didnt play a lot. What team could lose that many players and maintain a high level of play? One could argue now they have Jamison for a full season. But no way he and Sessions can make up for ALL of that. Plus they had Jamison PLUS all the departing players and a healthy Verejao and mo williams PLUS LEBRON ...No way Lebron (as great as he is) carries THIS ty cast to a top3 record in the EAST. This is not the same team from the past two seasons. Now if you want to compare it to the team Lebron put on his back and carried to the Finals vs. the spurs ... I'd disagree but I would be more willing to buy THAT argument.
Lebron deserves all praise for carrying that team to a Finals and he deserves a lion's share of the praise for having the best regular season record the past two years with no current HOFto help on either squad. He got an MVP for beasting for those teams ...but that has to do with this one. To compare this year's cavs even without Lebron is an apples to apples comparison and is faulty logic. Lebron is great but dont prop it up with some fake media bull- . That is similar (not saying the same) as saying that Utah is going to miss the playoffs because Dwill got traded ... and ignoring the facts that team also lost: Korver, Boozer, Matthews and their iconic coach ...which brings to my next point.
3. I was no huge Mike Brown fan. But many of the spur fans here (not sure if you are one DPG) that hailed him as a Pop protege and defensive genius. And i agree he is a smart defensive coach. But he is not there either. so not only have they have lost all of the players listed in point 2 ...but they have a new coach with new offensive and defensive priniciples.
Lebron had my early vote for MVP along with dirk.
Then I felt Rose had moved in to the convo ...
Now i think it's a 3 man race with rose in front, Dwight closing fast and Lebron a close 3rd ... with dirk and Kobe in the rear.
I dont have any issues if ANYONE wants to argue Lebron for what he has done in Miami. He leads in PER. He impacts the game so many ways. He has carried the Heat. All great reasons. But cleveland's record should have no bearing on this case. Period.
Sorry to make this long but that argument is stupid and bugs me and I admit DPG's condescending remark rubbed me the wrong way. I also dont give a if he is trolling or if he really believes the he is shoveling or especially if the weaker sheep on this forum agree with him or laugh this off as DPG put it. I love to argue and I am sitting here bored at Garden Hilton in near memphis ...watching the spurs and nuggs. I enjoy a good debate Let's see if DPG can prove how this is "the worst argument ever" ...
Last edited by Killakobe81; 03-23-2011 at 11:32 PM.
Shhhhhhhhhhh.
That's ridiculous..the Lakers were the #1 seed in the West..the best player in the NBA and the best player on the best team, should always win MVP..
As for this year, it should be:
1. Derrick Rose
2. Kobe
3. Dwight Howard
Kobe might have a case for #1 if the Lakers continue to dominate though..
LOL yeah right I have him in my avvy and I wont make that argument ...
The Lakers have the 2nd best record in the NBA, despite Bynum missing a large part of the year, and Kobe playing at 80%..the best player on the team deserves to be in the MVP argument..
Im already starting to dislike this schtick ... I dont like you in Kobe hate or Kobe lover or especially Lebron dyck suck mode. I would much rather see the Harlem I voted for "all spurs talk" what happened to THAT guy? LOL
jr smith is ballin
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