The Official Jefferson and Bonner Complaint Thread

[Mugen]

How many assists have Manu and Parker had to Bonner this season based upon what I had said? How many offensive rebounds have the Spurs had because Bonner has a big playing outside of the paint?

Just sayin'.

There is a whole lot more to basketball than most seem to realize. I am not saying that he is the ONLY reason why the Spurs win, or he is the best thing since sliced bread. There are other ways to win, sure, but to say that he isn't worth a damn is completely ridiculous.

I mean no offense to you at all. Because, yes in an ideal world Bonner does all those things.

But then reality sets in and you realize there's a reason opposing teams consistently attack him on the defensive end. There's a reason why hes considered a below average defender/rebound and a choker.

When he's playing like this: bricking wide-open 3s, getting outrebounded with ease, man-handled on defense, and showing a complete lack of effort for loose balls - then he is worth absolute to the Spurs.

i don't remember DRob/Rasho/Nazr/or Fab being able to spread the floor for Tim or Robert Horry getting absolutely raped on the boards and defensively.

I could give give a if Bonner hits 3-4 threes once every 5 games when he gives up more than that just on his defense and 2nd chance opportunities from those missed rebounds.

The Spurs won those championships on defense/rebounding/execution and Bonner provides absolutely none of that. Everytime Pop plays him meaningful minutes, it's a slap in the face to Tim Duncan and the championships hes given to this franchise.

[itzsoweezee]

Haha, I was listening to the Blazers broadcast on the radio, and even they were laughing at Bonner's T-Rex arms. Hilarious.

[TD 21]

Pop needs to call them both out publicly and have a talk individually with each privately. Two veteran players, who needed to step up tonight and help lead the team and they played indifferent, mentally/physically weak (it's not as if it was an aberration, either). Unacceptable.

Jefferson, they need in the playoffs. There is no alternative. But Bonner? They don't need him, because they have four other rotation bigs and a Bonner clone if they need a stretch four. Pop needs to tell him that and let him know, he's on a short leash and that if he doesn't pick up his play, he won't be in the playoff rotation.

[Budkin]

It's a goddamn shame that RJ regressed back to 09-10 form. He started off the season so well. Ugh.

[itzsoweezee]

If you watch the games, sure not every player who is guarding Bonner will commit only to Bonner. It does however make them think twice. In basketball (.4, .9 more recently) is critical even when you aren't forced to make a shot. I am certain Timmy, Blair, Splitter, Dyess can make their move in that short of a time. If the defense is sitting there thinking about whether he should help or not for that short of a time. Bonner has done his job.

Unfortunately, this slight benefit is heavily outweighed by all the negatives Bonner brings to the table. It's simply not worth it anymore.

[timtonymanu]

Well well well. RJ is back to being a soft POS.

George Hill had been struggling for a while, but when his number was called, he stepped up. RJ, for some reason, just loves to coast. I don't know why. I even said it before, you can see the hunger in the big 3 plus McDyess' eyes. I don't get that from RJ. He just looks like his mind is elsewhere. him. We don't need anymore softies on our team.

I'm not even gonna mention Bonner.

[xellos88330]

I mean no offense to you at all. Because, yes in an ideal world Bonner does all those things.

But then reality sets in and you realize there's a reason opposing teams consistently attack him on the defensive end. There's a reason why hes considered a below average defender/rebound and a choker.

When he's playing like this: bricking wide-open 3s, getting outrebounded with ease, man-handled on defense, and showing a complete lack of effort for loose balls - then he is worth absolute to the Spurs.

i don't remember DRob/Rasho/Nazr/or Fab being able to spread the floor for Tim or Robert Horry getting absolutely raped on the boards and defensively.

I could give give a if Bonner hits 3-4 threes once every 5 games when he gives up more than that just on his defense and 2nd chance opportunities from those missed rebounds.

The Spurs won those championships on defense/rebounding/execution and Bonner provides absolutely none of that. Everytime Pop plays him meaningful minutes, it's a slap in the face to Tim Duncan and the championships hes given to this franchise.

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

[spurs10]

Well the Blazers better enjoy their win, as there season won't be much longer. Again, Matt and RJ were disappointing in the 4th...especially. It was good hearing Pop singing George amd Tiago's praises. We need presence and length in the post. Tiago did a good job tonight...was appropriately bummed out after the game.

[Sean Cagney]

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

ONE SIDE OF THE COURT? HOW about two the last games or so? He is not even one sides now, and he stared this early this year! Not in the playoffs but already when we needed him! He just sucks all over now. Neal his first year here, Bonner his what 5th? He is what he is, and THAT IS IT! IT! I don't support the guy unless he is a spot player, but he is not for what reason? He is shyt, he is horrible. Do not try to convince me otherwise either, Neal is limited yes, but seriously he tries hard IMO and does not let a miss or two get to him, Bonner just shrivels up late in the year and is again! He is horrible and should not get mins if he is not hitting at all and he is not.

[Mugen]

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

-Of course Tim isn't in his prime, and teams rarely choose to double him anymore. So why do you need Bonner to spread the floor? You could say its for the PnR between TP/Manu but teams have begun to close out on him and they'll keep doing that in the playoffs. It's very easy to take a one trick pony like Bonner out of the game.

-Whatever he gives you on the defensive side stops being a bonus when he isn't giving you offensively. He's had plenty of chances to prove his doubters wrong but he's failed time and time and time again. How many chances can you give a guy who has consistently shown the same mistakes over and over again?

By all means, cheer for Bonner and i'll hope he does well because God knows he'll get the minutes. But don't expect anything different from what you've been seeing from him the last couple of weeks. Because you don't just flip a mental switch and be clutch all of a sudden or have your arms grow 4 more inches.

, it's not even his fault. As people have argued over and over, it's the failure of the coaching staff to fail to realize his limitations and bench him over a legit defensive player in Splitter.

It's absolutely maddening to see this guy's shortcomings be exposed on nightly basis to the detriment of this team with nothing being done about it.

[ElNono]

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

At what cost you want to prove everyone wrong? TD's twilight years?
Do you have any idea how long we're going to be out of contention (barring a miracle) once Tim hangs them up? We're wasting the last few years when he still has something left in the tank. He's not in his prime anymore, and he could use all the help he can. It's a disservice to a guy that stuck with us and carried us to 4 les.

[Sean Cagney]

Pop needs to call them both out publicly and have a talk individually with each privately. Two veteran players, who needed to step up tonight and help lead the team and they played indifferent, mentally/physically weak (it's not as if it was an aberration, either). Unacceptable.

Jefferson, they need in the playoffs. There is no alternative. But Bonner? They don't need him, because they have four other rotation bigs and a Bonner clone if they need a stretch four. Pop needs to tell him that and let him know, he's on a short leash and that if he doesn't pick up his play, he won't be in the playoff rotation.

LOL yeah RIGHT, POOP is in love with this bum for some reason? I don't get it but he is!

[itzsoweezee]

Tim was an absolute monster those years though. Prime Duncan changes things.

Bonner isn't a great defender or rebounder. Whatever he gets is a bonus on the defensive side of the ball. Don't you want him to prove everyone wrong? That is why I support the guy. I will not stop just because he is below average on one side of the court. I mean Neal gets his props even though he can't fight through screens well and has trouble recovering from something that simple. Why? Because Neal looks like a basketball player. He doesn't have T-Rex arms and look like he learned how to dribble from someone who played in the 40's. Neal is also undersized for his position.

I think it's pathetic that you have to resort to even comparing the two. Nevertheless, Neal is a much better defender than Bonner. Neal is also much more versatile than Bonner on offense.

[ElNono]

Not to mention that Neal is not defending at the rim...

[ElNono]

Pop needs to call them both out publicly and have a talk individually with each privately. Two veteran players, who needed to step up tonight and help lead the team and they played indifferent, mentally/physically weak (it's not as if it was an aberration, either). Unacceptable.

Jefferson, they need in the playoffs. There is no alternative. But Bonner? They don't need him, because they have four other rotation bigs and a Bonner clone if they need a stretch four. Pop needs to tell him that and let him know, he's on a short leash and that if he doesn't pick up his play, he won't be in the playoff rotation.

They're mental midgets as it is... Pop calling them out might just completely shut them down...

[Mugen]

They're mental midgets as it is... Pop calling them out might just completely shut them down...

remember when Pop preached accountability on this team?

going from some of the clutchest role players like Bowen/Horry to RJ/Bonner.

[xellos88330]

I think it's pathetic that you have to resort to even comparing the two. Nevertheless, Neal is a much better defender than Bonner. Neal is also much more versatile than Bonner on offense.

What is really pathetic is the fact that people cannot take the bad along with the good. If you truly are a fan of the Spurs you have to be able to take what they can or can't give you. Ignoring what they can do because they can't do other things is ridiculous.

Bonner is a ROLE player. He plays his role pretty damn well. He isn't asked to grab 10 rebounds a game. He isn't asked to block two shots every night. He isn't asked to be a lock down defender. He isn't asked to score 20ppg. He is asked to do what he can to help the team win. Unfortunately for those craving the front line of years past, he doesn't give what the fans want. Everyone thinks he should be like Horry, Mohammed, Rasho, DRob. Wake up call... he isn't. He is Matt Bonner, a different kind of ROLE player than the Spurs had in years past.

Would I like to have someone like a Robert Horry instead of Matt Bonner? Perhaps, but why change what has been working the whole season.

What was their record before Duncans injury? Was Matt Bonner playing on the Spurs during that stretch?

Think about it...

[Sean Cagney]

What is really pathetic is the fact that people cannot take the bad along with the good. If you truly are a fan of the Spurs you have to be able to take what they can or can't give you. Ignoring what they can do because they can't do other things is ridiculous.

Bonner is a ROLE player. He plays his role pretty damn well. He isn't asked to grab 10 rebounds a game. He isn't asked to block two shots every night. He isn't asked to be a lock down defender. He isn't asked to score 20ppg. He is asked to do what he can to help the team win. Unfortunately for those craving the front line of years past, he doesn't give what the fans want. Everyone thinks he should be like Horry, Mohammed, Rasho, DRob. Wake up call... he isn't. He is Matt Bonner, a different kind of ROLE player than the Spurs had in years past.

Would I like to have someone like a Robert Horry instead of Matt Bonner? Perhaps, but why change what has been working the whole season.

What was their record before Duncans injury? Was Matt Bonner playing on the Spurs during that stretch?

Think about it...

Do not compare him to Horry again! AT ALL! Please! What was their record without Bonner? I am serious too look it up! Did they miss him at all? He has not hit shots in a while, and will not IMO later, he is what he is please stop it! He is BoNNER! F IN MATT BONNER the non athletic dude who can't hit late in the year.

u can rob Bonner with him being home around playoff timehe'll try to shoot u and miss every time.

[xellos88330]

At what cost you want to prove everyone wrong? TD's twilight years?
Do you have any idea how long we're going to be out of contention (barring a miracle) once Tim hangs them up? We're wasting the last few years when he still has something left in the tank. He's not in his prime anymore, and he could use all the help he can. It's a disservice to a guy that stuck with us and carried us to 4 les.

Come on man. The playoffs haven't even started and you are acting like this game cost the Spurs the championship. Bonner has been good enough for the Spurs, even when other teams exploit his weaknesses. Does that mean anything to anyone?

[itzsoweezee]

What is really pathetic is the fact that people cannot take the bad along with the good. If you truly are a fan of the Spurs you have to be able to take what they can or can't give you. Ignoring what they can do because they can't do other things is ridiculous.

Bonner is a ROLE player. He plays his role pretty damn well. He isn't asked to grab 10 rebounds a game. He isn't asked to block two shots every night. He isn't asked to be a lock down defender. He isn't asked to score 20ppg. He is asked to do what he can to help the team win. Unfortunately for those craving the front line of years past, he doesn't give what the fans want. Everyone thinks he should be like Horry, Mohammed, Rasho, DRob. Wake up call... he isn't. He is Matt Bonner, a different kind of ROLE player than the Spurs had in years past.

Would I like to have someone like a Robert Horry instead of Matt Bonner? Perhaps, but why change what has been working the whole season.

What was their record before Duncans injury? Was Matt Bonner playing on the Spurs during that stretch?

Think about it...

He's more than a role player. Per the minutes doled out by Popovich, he's the most important big man on the team after Duncan. THAT is the issue here. If he were a mere role player, all of this would be moot.

[xellos88330]

Do not compare him to Horry again! AT ALL! Please! What was their record without Bonner? I am serious too look it up! Did they miss him at all? He has not hit shots in a while, and will not IMO later, he is what he is please stop it! He is BoNNER! F IN MATT BONNER the non athletic dude who can't hit late in the year.

I didn't compare him to Horry. If I did compare him, I would have have said, "Bonner is in the same class as Robert Horry." I am not saying that. Everyone bashing Bonner is comparing him to Horry. Everything they want from Bonner is what Horry brought to the team. Yes, even you are comparing him to Horry whether you think you aren't. I am enjoying what Bonner CAN bring to the table, and not wishing he was someone else.

[Sean Cagney]

Come on man. The playoffs haven't even started and you are acting like this game cost the Spurs the championship. Bonner has been good enough for the Spurs, even when other teams exploit his weaknesses. Does that mean anything to anyone?

LOL get real man what did he do when we needed him most? NOTHING! NOTHING AT ALL! SPLITTER STEPPED UP BIG and Hill too, but Bonner? LOL come on bruh he is shyt and you know it.

[Sean Cagney]

I didn't compare him to Horry. If I did compare him, I would have have said, "Bonner is in the same class as Robert Horry." I am not saying that. Everyone bashing Bonner is comparing him to Horry. Everything they want from Bonner is what Horry brought to the team. Yes, even you are comparing him to Horry whether you think you aren't. I am enjoying what Bonner CAN bring to the table, and not wishing he was someone else.

What has he done in the last 7 games or so? NOTHING! Yet he still is out there with mins in crunch time! He is him, he is what he is.

[xellos88330]

He's more than a role player. Per the minutes doled out by Popovich, he's the most important big man on the team after Duncan. THAT is the issue here. If he were a mere role player, all of this would be moot.

How many minutes he is playing doesn't change the fact that he is a role player. Rasho/Mohammed/Horry/Oberto were role players asked to defend/rebound (Horry to stretch the floor as well). They all played heavy minutes too.

Mohammed, Oberto were starters. They had a role to fill and filled it nicely. Bonners role is simply different than theirs was. He fills it out quite well too.

[ElNono]

Come on man. The playoffs haven't even started and you are acting like this game cost the Spurs the championship. Bonner has been good enough for the Spurs, even when other teams exploit his weaknesses. Does that mean anything to anyone?

This game? I've been pointing out Bonner's mediocrity for the past three seasons.
Some people are just catching up. This guy folds under pressure like no other, and it's a turnstile on defense. You couldn't possibly convince me that's "by design".

I don't care how well he shoots the 3 during the regular season, his average scoring is simply circa 8ppg, and for the life of me he gives up as much or more on the other end. Not to mention that he has to be amongst the worst 6'10 rebounders in this league.

Since Bowen retired, our perimeter defense has taken a severe nosedive, which has put a lot more pressure on our interior defense. Coupled with Tim's decline, what we've been needing is MORE help for Tim, not less. The guy is an automatic mismatch when he's on the floor.

But I guess we're just gonna play the 3 point lottery and see if we get lucky... I wanted something better for Tim's encore, tbh.