tbh anyone who thinks that song promotes violence against women is stupid. It's promoting violence against a woman, Kim Mathers. Not that I approve of that either.
i'd agree with this song. Now if it was "all women ain't but hoes and tricks" then i'd have a problem. but it doesn't.
Some women are es.
All es are hoes and tricks.
Therefore, some women are hoes and tricks.
Ashley Judd obviously doesn't philosophize.
only thing bothering me is how fast she's backed off her comments. Typical ing Hollywood coward PC bull
At the end of the day, the artists you're exposed to are the same ones who are selling records, and we all know the taste-makers record labels market to may not even be in HS yet.
When Ohm brought up Satanism in metal I thought it made perfect sense to correlate that with gangsta misogyny in hip-hop because both are vectors for... what do we want to call it? illation? Neither seem intimidating or stimulating now, but like any arms race, there was a reason they began (ie, they sold loads of records to fascinated suburbanite pre-teens), and like any arms race, they've led to absurdity and oversaturation.
I mean in just a matter of a few years we went from Kurtis Blow's goofy to Run DMC's geeky, issue-oriented debut, to LL Cool J's LL-Cool-J-oriented debut (including the first misogynistic rap I think I ever heard: Dear Yvette).
Then Run DMC came back with Raising and lo and behold, they're were now comedian superstars who ed a lot of girls and liked to brag, just like... LL. So LL releases Bigger and Deffer, and that's pretty much the end of Run DMC's relevance. And LL's for that matter -- I Need Love made him rich as , but it killed his street-cred.
So suburbia moved on to the more skreet, more gangsta, more confident, more misogynistic Ice-T, who is then usurped by the even more ridiculous N.W.A., leading to 2 Live Crew jumps the misogyny shark, makes a trillion dollars clowning themselves, then the gangsta era blows up and... blah blah blah.
If it isn't just financially-driven content-escalation, it sure in' looks like it, no?
You really think mysogny isn't promoted by rock just as much? For one, the idea of groupies didn't start at rap concerts. Second I can name you bands that are just as bad. Sup rolling stones, nickelback and buckcherry.
Also, who the thinks Ashley Judd is going to change minds of rappers? If you want to speak out on something, you should think about whether or not you're going to do some good or actually make it worse.
I'm going to tell you right now, Ashely Judd voicing her opinion on this subject isn't going to do a damn bit of good and its probably likely to make it worse.
Did Ashley Judd say a damn thing about misogyny in rock and punk? If not then she should just keep her mouth shut because all you're doing is giving people a reason to pull the race card. Rich white woman is offend by misogyny in rap while she rolls in her benz listening to classic rock.
Of the three you mentioned, only Nickelback gets relatively heavy airplay, and most of the songs are pop-ish.
Sure, rock has its fair share of misogyny. But I don't see it treated as casually as it does in many rap songs. (I'm distinguishing here between the lifestyle of a musical performer, and the lyrics of his songs. Musical artists from all walks probably engage in misogyny, but may not reflect it in their song lyrics.)
s yeah, brah! To quote Nickelback, Ashley Judd would look so much cuter with something in her mouth!
yea, lemme find a skinny white girl to plow now. \m/
Wait, the Rolling Stones don't get heavy airplay? WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT? Dude, you're really telling me that rock isn't just as misogynist as rap?
I'm sorry LNGR, but the volume of misogyny in rock is greater than that in rap. There's decades of music for that to be the case, and much if it is still in airplay today. I could counter each and every rap song you posted with those type of lyrics with a rock song with lyrics just as bad.
Also, your dismissal of most of Nickelback's songs being popish as some kind of an excuse is such a crock. How many pop songs do you have to put out before you're allowed to objectify women and its OK in your eyes?
There is definitely a lot of misogyny in rap music. I will never deny that. But what really pisses me off is when people act like its a problem in RAP and not in MUSIC.
Rolling Stones get airplay, but what obviously misogynistic song by them gets heavy airplay?
Eh, perhaps. I think that mainstream/radio rap is on average more misogynistic than rock.
Also, I'm talking more about rock today. Sure, if you go back through history you'll probably find more rock songs than rap songs that are misogynistic, especially since rock is roughly 20-30 years older. I meant to compare mainstream rock hits today with mainstream rap hits today. I just don't hear many rock songs talking about es, hoes, getting chicks drunk at the club, etc etc.
Then again, I don't listen to alot of radio; this is just personal opinion/experience.
I never said it's ok to objectify women. I'm just saying most of the Nickleback stuff I hear on the radio isn't misogynistic. There's "Something in your mouth" and "Animal" but that's all I've heard. I'm not a big fan of Nickelback, though, I might've missed some.
STP never got huge airplay
I'm sure you shouldn't have worn that dress was just a fashion statement.
Sure, it exists in every musical genre. I just think that it's more 'accepted' as a norm in rap. (And obviously, this doesn't apply to every style of rap/rap artest. I haven't heard Lupe Fiasco, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, be misogynistic, for instance.)
Under my Thumb
Why? You've got no data to back this up. I can pull out modern rock songs that are just as misogynistic so why do you believe this?
Eh, perhaps. I think that mainstream/radio rap is on average more misogynistic than rock.
It doesn't matter if most of their songs aren't misogynistic. Thats my point. The fact that you brought that up at all was bad. The fact that Nickelback has ONE song like that is bad enough. Dre has plenty of songs where he's not disparaging women. Yet no one is pointing that out.Also, I'm talking more about rock today. Sure, if you go back through history you'll probably find more rock songs than rap songs that are misogynistic, especially since rock is roughly 20-30 years older. I meant to compare mainstream rock hits today with mainstream rap hits today. I just don't hear many rock songs talking about es, hoes, getting chicks drunk at the club, etc etc.
Then again, I don't listen to alot of radio; this is just personal opinion/experience.
I never said it's ok to objectify women. I'm just saying most of the Nickleback stuff I hear on the radio isn't misogynistic. There's "Something in your mouth" and "Animal" but that's all I've heard. I'm not a big fan of Nickelback, though, I might've missed some.
Its been accepted in Rock for 50 ing years yet we're its MORE accepted in rap? HOW?
You're pulling a song from the early 90's? Yeesh, that's nearly two decades ago.
LnGrrrR, what does the amount of current airplay have anything to do with it? Rappers don't control airplay - Clear Channel does. It's not more socially accepted in rap any more than in rock because commercial rap is currently in.
And that song still gets a load of airplay on modern rock stations.
*shrug*
I guess you could argue they're equally "accepted". I just hear casual misogyny more often in rap songs, on average.
LNG the main point is that yeah, its pretty accepted in Rap but thats not unusual considering its been accepted in most Rock/Pop music since the existence of radio. Its a fact. Rap gets more commercial airplay now and for people to act as if this is somehow a new phenomenon exclusive to rap is complete and utter bull . Its a phenomenon associated with our societies music overall.
This may be the issue as well. Rap seems more popular than rock now, so I hear rap songs more often.
Agian, probably just a perception on my part. I haven't heard many current rock songs that casually talk about getting chicks drunk in order to sleep with them, but that might be cause I'm not listening to stations playing those rock songs.
I didn't mean to put that impression out there, but I can see where it looked like I was saying that. I don't think it's a new thing, I just think that more commercial rap songs lower women to the status of "item" than most of the latest commercial rock songs I've heard.
I'm not even sure thats the case. There is a lot of misogyny in rap songs, but most songs lowering women? No ing way. There's just no ing way thats true.
Come on Manny, you can't really be comparing "Under My Thumb" to " es Ain't ."
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