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    The reason I ask is I had an old pal I used trade sports cards with back in the 1985-1999 era his AOL name was OldManMuddy he used to post pics of himself by the Mount St. Helens. His stance on radiation was similar to yours.

    I was wondering if people in the Mount St. Helens area are desensitized to other dangers in the world due to having to only worry about Mount St. Helens during childhood.

    How old was you when it erupted?

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    The reason I ask is I had an old pal I used trade sports cards with back in the 1985-1999 era his AOL name was OldManMuddy he used to post pics of himself by the Mount St. Helens. His stance on radiation was similar to yours.

    I was wondering if people in the Mount St. Helens area are desensitized to other dangers in the world due to having to only worry about Mount St. Helens during childhood.

    How old was you when it erupted?
    I was already able to legally buy liquor.

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    Do you still feel Japan is in no more danger than one of us buying a banana?

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    Video of the wall of water hitting Fukushima:

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...iref=obnetwork

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    Do you still feel Japan is in no more danger than one of us buying a banana?
    That's not what I said.

    I said the levels of radiation we are receiving are not a concern. I don't believe they will be a concern here. Yes, I could be wrong.

    I wouldn't want to be too close to the action though.

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    Damn...

    That's a lot of force.

    Looks like the water shot half way up the height of the stack.

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    Do you still feel Japan is in no more danger than one of us buying a banana?
    Banana peels can be particularly dangerous. Haven't you seen any good cartoons recently?

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    And now sadly, a much different tone to this disaster:

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...ex.html?hpt=T1

    Japan declared the Fukushima Daiichi crisis a Level 7 event on the international system for rating nuclear accidents Tuesday, putting it on par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster in the former Soviet Union. The top-scale designation was based on the massive release of radioactivity since the accident began, particularly in its early days, and classifies Fukushima Daiichi a "major accident" requiring long-term countermeasures.

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    It has serious potential to be worse, IMO. Water is a much more efficient transport system than the atmosphere is.

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    One would think that as heavy as those molecules are they will sink to the bottom fairly quickly after being dispersed into the ocean, kind of like dropping a lead sinker. Could end up being a very localized but very hot area off the coast of the plant...

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    It has serious potential to be worse, IMO. Water is a much more efficient transport system than the atmosphere is.
    One would think that as heavy as those molecules are they will sink to the bottom fairly quickly after being dispersed into the ocean, kind of like dropping a lead sinker. Could end up being a very localized but very hot area off the coast of the plant...
    The good part about it being in water is twofold (for humans that is):

    1) The ionizing radiation will be more efficiently attenuated. In English that means the "dangerous" radiation zone will be more confined.

    2) Alpha radiation doesn't have a chance of being inhaled.

    Most all of the dose will come from gamma emitters (I-131, Cs-134, Cs-137, Zr-95, Sr-90, etc). I'll try to locate a source for the exact amounts of each as this will influence the dose rate quite a bit.

    While their weights play a prominent role, we also have to consider the solubility of each atom in seawater separately. They're different and it depends largely on the tendency of each to combine into salts, sulfates, etc. For instance, Cs-137 is quite water soluble and that's unfortunate since that's one of the isotopes that you'd like to see settle out.
    Last edited by Agloco; 04-12-2011 at 12:36 PM.

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    No danger of inhalation, a much greater of danger of consumption though. At least I would think.

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    No danger of inhalation, a much greater of danger of consumption though. At least I would think.
    Absolutely. At least in this scenario you know what product(s) and areas to avoid. That's a bit trickier when it's airborne over a larger area. You may not be able to avoid it at all.

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    Does anyone know the head count of deaths so far caused by the radiation?

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    Does anyone know the eventual head count of deaths caused by the radiation?
    This is a much better question actually.

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    This is a much better question actually.
    If you say so. So whats up there. Have not heard much lately. How many folks died already and how many will die. Any clue?

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    If you say so. So whats up there. Have not heard much lately. How many folks died already and how many will die. Any clue?
    Nope. Only time will tell.

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    Does anyone know the head count of deaths so far caused by the radiation?
    My understanding from bits and pieces I heard from a local expert is that there are none yet from the radiation. Future cancer predictions are too early until more data is collection.

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    For some US milk somewhere, I'm seeing this headline many places:

    Fukushima Radiation Taints US Milk Supplies At Levels 300% Higher .

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    For some US milk somewhere, I'm seeing this headline many places:

    Fukushima Radiation Taints US Milk Supplies At Levels 300% Higher .
    You would cream your pants. Wouldn't you?

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    Does anyone know the head count of deaths so far caused by the radiation?


    Still zero, but the enviro wackos have their fingers crossed.



    But, I wouldn't be surprised if the people who have been working at the center of all this will get radiation sickness and probably die earlier than they would have otherwise.

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    Still zero, but the enviro wackos have their fingers crossed.



    But, I wouldn't be surprised if the people who have been working at the center of all this will get radiation sickness and probably die earlier than they would have otherwise.
    What a bold prediction.

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    It has serious potential to be worse, IMO. Water is a much more efficient transport system than the atmosphere is.
    About time you saw the light, nice to have you on board!

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    I wouldn't be surprised if the people who have been working at the center of all this will get radiation sickness and probably die earlier than they would have otherwise.

    Didn't you say radiation is no worst than getting a tan or using a cellphone?

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    That's not what I said.
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    what was your banana theory?

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