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Hard drugs as in the ones that are legal and sold by the cartels known as Merck and Phizer?
Rampant gambling as in State Lotteries?
Hard drugs as in the ones that are legal and sold by the cartels known as Merck and Phizer?
Pros ution ....well I got nothing on this case.
Reality/dating shows?
Do you think those things are hindering 'progress'?
Perhaps you should define what your opinion of 'progress' is, Manny.
What? You presented the argument that those issues could hinder progress, not me. I gave you examples of how those actions are very much legal right now. I'd also argue that whether or not (and I have in this thread and many others) something hinders progress, making an action or vice illegal doesn't make it disappear.
I know one thing is for sure, the war on drugs had hindered progress in Mexico quite well.
I can pretty easily prove that illegal pros ution and gambling are in fact hindering progress.
I'm 50/50 on the hard drug issue (well I'm more like 49/51 in favor of lagalization, but it is less clear).
FWIW, I think cocaine and marijuana should be legal - the harder drugs are too powerful, too addicting, and too life destroying. Even the educated and self controlling are destroyed by them.
Pros ution, no. Organized pros ution invariably leads to people being mentally and physically abused.
Gambling, I couldn't care less about.
Manny,
I said 'one' could make an easy argument. Not that that person is me, but those arguments do abound. In fact, those arguments are technically why we have a humongous failure known as the War on Drugs.
Gotcha.
..cROFLAMAOA what?!?!!? Yeah, really does that in the Netherlands, where the state insures all pros utes are consenting adult women (over age of 18) and regularly checked for STDs. On the other hand, illegal pros ution in Thailand is quite the effective system, where young girls are essentially kidnapped and enslaved intro pros ution and have no say whatsoever on how many s they take per day, which often ranges from 20-50, all against their consent. Yup, that illegal system sure works well
Illegal pros ution (ie USA): Abused women by criminal pimps, that have nowhere to go since they are by definition criminals themselves. Profits go to organized criminal orgs and the whole thing is basically the STD version of Russian roulette (except the odds are worse). All that without even getting into the side effects of underage pros utes, human trafficking and similar.
Legal pros ution (ie Holland): Women are safe (in case of trouble they call the police), healthy (mandatory health check and monitoring of STDs), profit goes to the worker, they pay taxes which in turn finance preventive programs. Organized crime is effectively excluded from the flow of money.
If you want to eliminate pros ution, drugs and other vices, you have to eliminate the desire for them (good luck with that btw!). Legalizing them offers the possibility to address and bring them to the open and combat them, during which you are at least limiting the damages of said vices.
Eradicating human's desires for sex/drugs/... by force/law is just not a feasible option.
Amsterdam is the only place on earth i've ever been mugged...or at least attempted. The dude wasn't very threatening, so i just ignored him and walked into a bar to get away from his attempts. Amsterdams fairly strict gun laws probably made this guy's mugging life hard. lol...he came at me with a small stick from a tree, that broke when he hit me on the shoulder...i said, "wtf is your problem." He told me to give him my cash (holding his broken stick). I laughed and said go yourself, and went into a bar....lol...
Amsterdam, given its liberal drug and pros ution policies, is one of the most beautiful places ive ever been to though. Keep all the drug/sex shops in one area of town and let people decide whether or not they want to see it or not. Very simple in my opinion. Why would this be so hard...let the people decide, very very simple.
The Department of Justice shut down the biggest online poker sites for violating the law...None of the poker players saw it coming because they were all wearing those stupid sunglasses...
He must of thought a tourist was easy prey.
I knew about this as it was developing. That's not oversight. When customers report getting ripped off, that's not oversight. Oversight comes from 3rd party agencies, not from customers.
Spin it how you wish, oversight is not from customers.
A form of oversight definitely comes from the customers. As I said, you obviously know little. These companies are regulated by the EU and the individual members of the EU. The United States isn't the body capable of regulation.
There's a difference between a watchdog and oversight. You need to get that much clear.
A watchdog just alarms when something doesn't look right. Oversight is regulatory and has authority over that which is being regulated.
Greenpeace is a watchdog
EPA has oversight
The EU isn't the US. It has no oversight in the US. Things in the US that have no oversight or regulation in the US are not culpable for their transgressions towards Americans.
Even oil companies like BP have US oversight and regulation. You don't depend on community watchdogs to tell you that BP isn't cleaning up the oil in the Gulf. You depend upon the oversight committees to police that and the regulatory agencies to enforce it.
I have been reading twoplustwo for a long time. I know about potripper and all the bull . It's not insider information.
Ugh, you're playing stupid semantics when you know my point. In any case, what is the EU's regulation of these companies?
EU regulation affects US customers because they play at the same tables. Everything is handled in the same way. Apparently the only nation on this planet able to regulate is the United States. Thats pretty funny.
You also fail to mention that many of these companies are publicly traded. The customer's accounts are trusts which are not actually held by the company, by law. There's a lot you just make up.
The AP/UB situation happened but as was pointed out it was also caught. I'd love for you to make the argument that this type of situation has never happened in a live casino (or every other business for that matter).
You just don't know what you're talking about. Its OK. But just stop talking out of your ass. Just actually learn about what you're talking about first. God damn.
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You keep saying I don't know what I am talking about but then you say I am hammering you on semantics. One of us doesn't know what he's talking about and it's not me. You have an agenda because you have a horse in this race. I don't.
Arguing ad nauseum as you are doing doesn't make your case more solid.
1. There's no oversight in the US
2. There's no regulation in the US
3. Watchdogs do not provide regulatory oversight.
Maybe if you quit using that lame ass excuse (players providing oversight) I will quit using that response.
If there was oversight, that kind of could not go on for so long.
Oh REALLY?
Yeah, I'm sure US regulation prevents that from happening everywhere.
Thats ing laughable.
Do you want to just take back what you just said or should I find the pretty much limitless examples of corruption and incompetence associated with US regulation?
I hear US regulation of illegal drugs is working out spectacularly. The oversight of the DEA has been impeccable and once ins uted swiftly removed the issue.
Also, I hear the SEC's oversight prevented Bernie Madoff from swindling money from a lot of people. They stopped him in no time.
I think y'all definitely need to do some more research, specifically on how the Netherlands government has been cracking down on the red light districts and the abuse and organized crime that were and probably still is taking place there. Also, pros ution has barely been legal there since 2000. I don't think one can take a lot from such a small time span concerning something that is constantly linked to physical and mental abuse as well as rampant criminal activity...cROFLAMAOA what?!?!!? Yeah, really does that in the Netherlands, where the state insures all pros utes are consenting adult women (over age of 18) and regularly checked for STDs. On the other hand, illegal pros ution in Thailand is quite the effective system, where young girls are essentially kidnapped and enslaved intro pros ution and have no say whatsoever on how many s they take per day, which often ranges from 20-50, all against their consent. Yup, that illegal system sure works well
AP story concerning the Amsterdam city buying 1/3 of the Red Light district simply to stop the criminal activity taking place behind its doors: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/1668...kdown-on-crime
And, you misread: I didn't say legal or illegal, I said ORGANIZED. Any kind of organized pros ution, be it legal or illegal, invariably leads to abuse of the worst kind. And while illegal pros ution may be the worse of two evils, I don't think legalizing it is the answer.
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