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Post 2004 Boston Red Sox fans... combine that with the fact many of them are Patriots and Celtics fans, the modern 2000 Boston fan trumps any fan when it comes to being obnoxious, even Kobe/Laker fans and Yankee fans.
Thing is, most of them dont justify that much anymore (from what I've seen anyways). Most Lebron fans I know all say they felt that The Desicion was over the top, and that him giving up was inexcusable... but then again, Kobe gave up against the Suns in 2006, and not too long after that he was demanding to be traded from the Lakers. Kobe also used his free agency in 2004 as leverage against the Lakers to get rid of Shaq and Phil. So he has done his share of shady things, much like Lebron has. The only reason Kobe is getting excused now is because he got some rings, and did a damn good job at doing so. If Bron gets some rings and does a damn good job of doing so as well, he will start getting some of his past bull excused as well.
Post 2004 Boston Red Sox fans... combine that with the fact many of them are Patriots and Celtics fans, the modern 2000 Boston fan trumps any fan when it comes to being obnoxious, even Kobe/Laker fans and Yankee fans.
I never excuse Kobe:::he raped. he ratted out Daddy. he quit Vs. Phoenix.
I'll eat that sandwich.
It's my religion.
Actually I like Kobe, and think he is a top 5 player in NBA history. But unless he does some really ridiculous stuff to finish his career, he wont ever be able to surpass Jordan's greatness in the eyes of the general public, mainly because of all of Jordan's accomplishments in a career that was shorter than it could have been (because of his own dumb desicions leading to his forced early retirement).
definitely arguable. Although I don't know if anyone can trump Steeler fan in terms of obnoxiousness.
Kobe is pathological enough to believe in his heart that anything above 6 will grant him station over Jordan.
It won't bother him an iota the endless hum of debate & discussion Kobe Vs. MJ. If he has that number.
And for that matter, any MJ fan who views MJ as anything off the basketball court is a moron too. He is a way bigger head than Kobe or even Lebron. I have no way of proving this, but IMO MJ having a passionate love for basketball is a myth. He's used his status as a basketball player to become the poster boy for self-indulgence. His entire life outside of basketball has been him looking for instant gratification. Gambling as much as humanly possible, cheating on his wife as much as humanly possible, becoming the poster boy for a company that abuses sweat shop labor and admittedly not giving a about it, inviting the scrub who made his HS team over him to his HOF induction just to embarrass him, being about as stingy with charity as someone worth hundreds of millions could possibly be, etc. MJ is about as far away from a role model as someone can possibly be.
Kobe already won. Your post is proof.
If he transcends 6, nobody after him can touch his legacy. It will be MJ vs Kobe till the end of time.
Magic would have been there if wasn't for all that unprotected ass- ing, though.
He'd still be there if he'd a just waited 24 hours before opening his big ing mouth.
I also think Yankees fans are up there in obnoxiousness. Yankees fans take the biggest free agent every year and just say the most corny things ever like, "You can fit him for pinstripes right now since Cliff Lee is a lock for the Yankees!"
Depends on what you mean by "obnoxious". Loud? Arrogant? Ignorant? Etc etc
Fixed. If the Heat do any ringing, it'll be on the back of old Flash. He's the gamer.
All of the above?
Shaq is pretty much deadweight these days...
The thing is, I don't know if anyone is serious when they make the claim that he was back in his Lakers days. He, and for the most part, was always fun to watch because there wasn't anything anyone could do to stop him most times. The only bone of contention I have with Shaq is his lack of effort during the off season. Other than that, I am grateful the guy played with us before he ate one too many double-cheeseburgers. Or, well, on a limited scale.
+1
MJ was absolutely an amazing basketball player, but could be quite a off the court.
incorrect
MJ's douchiness is vastly overrated. If you watch that Ron Shelton doc on ESPN, playing minor league baseball mellowed him out a lot and according to PJ made him a much better teammate.
Wade and Bron = 1a and 1b, just like Kobe and Shaq. Each of them have abilities that compliment each other. Bron is the go-to guy for the majority of the game, while Wade takes over during the time Bron is out, and to finish games. Their differing skillsets make them perfect for each role, as Bron is more physically impacting on the game which works until the end of close games when teams can and do play a lot more physical, where Wade's agile and finesse style of scoring works better.
I read that. Considering he punched Steve Kerr in the face during practice after he came back, I wonder what kind of things he was pulling before. To think that "mellow" MJ was decking teammates makes it seem like pre-retirement MJ must have been a real peach.
You could still foul Shaq, or torch him on the PnR over and over during his prime. But there is a reason why Shaq went from getting perennially swept out of the playoffs to a threepeat after Kobe emerged as a top two player in the league.
Shaq was a ridiculous beast and no one defended him more than I back in the day. But he definitely was not the self proclaimed "most dominant ever". Not when Hakeem undressed him in the finals like he did.
Hold onto that incident. Which according to everyone was a non-issue by the end of the day and ignore that there is a little more subtlety and nuance than just the MJ was a got angle you're going for.
Kobe was not a top 10 player in 2000.
Nothing subtle about a black eye. Specially on a white boy.
Yeah thats because he was top 5 (top 2 by June). And easily the best two way player in the NBA after Duncan.
Best closer in the game (as proven against the Suns/Blazers and game 4 of the finals on a bum ankle). + All NBA first defense and snubbed off 1st team NBA because he was so young.
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