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    Oh is right!

    I was right, not my imagination...

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    I am not sure of the terminology.. all typewriters used the exact same size and alphabet letter types? All typewriter companies used the same measurements and letter type? Serious question.
    No, I don't think they did. There were several font types available back then but they were fairly standardized as best I can remember. But I think it was unusual for individual machines to change fonts. I think the IBM Selectric was the first machine to do that...you could change out the imprinter ball. But that was sometime in the 70's.

    LOL @ me thinking I'm a typewriter dork.

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    I don't know why I am going to to stoop to your level but let's ask ourselves a very simple question. If a president , with an infinite supply of experts, materials, and time create a fake do ent that can be easily refuted using basic adobe.. considering he could have continued to ignore the issue..why forge it?
    Because he folds when holding three aces...

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    I do have to admit, even after thinking the birther thing is probably the stupidest Obama side effect ever, this release does look pretty bogus. Which is really strange considering he endorsed it.

    If it were released on like, CNN or Fox, or something I would laugh it off as a fake, hoax thing...but this is what whitehouse.gov and the pres himself are going with....lol...whoa.

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    Man if obama really is a poker player he must fold every chance he gets.

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    Typewriters don't use different fonts. Dude, you're not that young.
    I don't think some of these people have ever seen a real typewriter, let alone, ever used one.

    I have a lot of experience with IBM Selectrics.

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    How many of you asshats have your original birth certificate? I doubt any of does.

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    How many of you asshats have your original birth certificate? I doubt any of does.
    lol. I carry a certified copy in my wallet.

    Don't ask me why. I think I got it when I was applying for my Tx Teaching Cert. bout a thousand years ago. But, I still got it.

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    How many of you asshats have your original birth certificate? I doubt any of does.
    I actually do, in a safe at my moms place.

    I never knew there was a long form and a short form though.

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    I am not sure of the terminology.. all typewriters used the exact same size and alphabet letter types? All typewriter companies used the same measurements and letter type? Serious question.
    There were different font types available for some typewrites, but you had to change a part in the typewriter. The IBM Selectric has a changeable ball for fonts like OCR, Courier, Times New Roman, and others. Pitches were 10, 12, and 15 characters to the inch. A locked, fixed spacing. Not proportional like computers do. I thing the line feeds were a standard 6 and 8 lines to the inch.


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    I don't know why I am going to to stoop to your level but let's ask ourselves a very simple question. If a president , with an infinite supply of experts, materials, and time create a fake do ent that can be easily refuted using basic adobe.. considering he could have continued to ignore the issue..why forge it?

    It's so obviously "altered", that I can only imagine that this was done just to with people.

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    How many of you asshats have your original birth certificate? I doubt any of does.

    I have mine.

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    How many of you asshats have your original birth certificate? I doubt any of does.
    I do, although it got wet while folded. But it's my original one issued more than 50 years ago.

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    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...athan-goulding



    We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the do ent. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.

    The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.

    What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.

    UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.

    Well, that settles that.


    Or does it?

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    Excuses, excuses.

    My daughters knew better than to do that while growing up.

    If an accurate assessment, the question remains, why not a photo of the original rather than taking the time to make a layered do ent?

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    Good. I didn't like being squeezed into a position I ridiculed on page one.

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    What gets me is they address everything except what I point out. Makes me think they are biased.
    I absolutely addressed the white borders.

    Doh! Should have finished reading the thread before responding....... The whole deal is already settled.
    Last edited by Drachen; 04-27-2011 at 04:07 PM.

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    Actually, I had no question to his citizenship. I believed he was until I saw that long form that looks like a poor photoshop job.

    Did you look at the link I provided?
    you're such a ing clown

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    LOL at WC getting clowned by Obama again. Obviously he isn't a citizen... he's not even a ing human! He's just messing with you doofuses for sheer entertainment... and you took the bait! CROFL

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    WC will reserve judgment until a time machine can be built to take him back in time to the actual birth so that he can witness it himself. Until then, he remains skeptical.
    The afterbirther movement is growing daily -

    Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta
    AUGUST 27, 2009 | ISSUE 45•35

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/aft...placenta,6866/

    WASHINGTON–In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels—preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery—and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.

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    Definitely.

    TBH, I never understood why Obama didn't release it a long time ago. Yes, it's ridiculous. But this ridiculous issue could have been killed a long time ago and Obama wouldn't find himself in the situation of having to react to Donald Trump.
    Political move. News agencies will run with this as if it is news that the President of the US was born in the US. It doesn't really chance anything, people that Hate President Obama will still hate him and those that love him will still love.

    I will continue to be completely indifferent to who is in the White House as it hasn't changed a day of my life through the last 8 presidencies.

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    maybe the form was created with the M as a constant...and the typrwriter used at the time to create the A or P used a different font? Pretty easily explained
    I agree. It's a preprinted form and then a typewriter is used to type in the variables. It's entirely possible the preprinted portion was done in a different font.

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    Excuses, excuses.

    My daughters knew better than to do that while growing up.

    If an accurate assessment, the question remains, why not a photo of the original rather than taking the time to make a layered do ent?
    You've got enough pie on your face. Why don't you let this one go and start obsessing over his Occidental college transcript like Trump?

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    I absolutely addressed the white borders.

    Doh! Should have finished reading the thread before responding....... The whole deal is already settled.
    I was referring to this link:
    Your assumption is simply wrong.

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    your birth certificate must have gotten soaked from your mothers tears.

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