Grizz were just better

[DPG21920]

Arguing completely subjective things, like "the spurs are more talented", is laughable.

No joke, it's what I saw from Suns fans for years.

I dont give a what you saw, Tim/TP/Manu >>>>>>Zbo/Gasol/Conley. I know it didn't seem that way this series, but that's bc MEM maximized their marginal talent and SA the bed.

Tough facts, but truth.

[jag]

I know this team personally. I seen every game, almost half in person. The Spurs didn't try their best since March 6th. The Spurs are still going to be top 6 or 8 next season if they want, but they let Memphis win this series by not playing physical.

It's tough to play physical when you're opponent is bigger, more athletic, faster and continues to be aggressive. It's tough to give that extra push when you're at the end of your career. It's tough to "try your best" when you have nothing left in the tank and youre facing a team with all the physical advantages the Grizz have.

[NASpurs]

It's tough to play physical when you're opponent is bigger, more athletic, faster and continues to be aggressive. It's tough to give that extra push when you're at the end of your career. It's tough to "try your best" when you have nothing left in the tank and youre facing a team with all the physical advantages the Grizz have.

Yeah the Grizz are all that but the Spurs are still "better".

[scottspurs]

For some weird reason, I think if the Grizzlies actually had Rudy Gay they would have been worse off and he would've messed up team chemistry. Gay would've taken away alot of shots from Randolph and Gasol.....Anybody else feel like I do?

I agree. He would of demanded touches

[Chomag]

Proven once again 3 point shooting and superior offence doesnt do much for you in the playoffs. Ask Phoenix how much that helped them.

[LakerLanny]

Thanks for everything, TD.

Sorry about your team Kori, just a bad matchup.

Your daughter is adorable....there are more important things than basketball as you obviously know.

Congrats on your growing family!

[venitian navigator]

Griz were better without their best player...this can mean they're really strong or we are really weak. We had no real injury to our players...except for their age.
Frankly, I don't know if any of the big three would like to be sold to another team, and more than all I don't think any team would give us back anything near their real value...expecially considering that during the summer Manu and Tony will play with their national teams.

Rebuilding ? yes, but probably starting with the pieces we already have.
The only thing to decide is how to develop players like Blair and Splitter.

As of now, I see at least 7 "young" players worth playing time in our roster :

1) Hill;
2) Neal;
3) Green;
4) Blair;
5) Splitter;
6) Butler;
7) Anderson.

As for the market, I think our main assets, for as weird as it could be, will be Jefferson, Bonner and Mc Dyess.

RJ, with his restructured contract, can be a decent deal for any up tempo team with play offs goals...
Dice is a good piece to trade just because off how his contract is structured.
Bonner cames out a season of being the best three point shooter of the league...and can be a good reserve piece for any nba team.
We'll see what we get out of them three.

For none of the three (Dice 'cause of retirement) there can be, imho, any more space in this team...simply 'cause we need to try younger legs (i mean to Bonner taht we have to find someone that can play defense) end 'cause at this point we can finally say with no more doubts that RJ was not then kind of player for our game system.

[ShoogarBear]

, well it's a good thing that the NBA is only half a season and nothing else matters.

Clearly, the evidence from this series is that the second half matters more than the first.

Why don't you post CLE's previous years regular season numbers to see how they compared overall.

You know, if you're trying to argue the point that Regular Season records mean something, you really shouldn't be bringing up the 2009-2010 Cavs or the 2011 Spurs.

[jag]

Tim is no longer better than ZBo, and was canceled out by Gasol. That's where the series was lost.

Tough facts. But truth

[DPG21920]

So evidently the Grizz are the most deep, rugged and talented team in the league. It's hilarious bc I was one of only a few vocal posters about how tough the Grizz were for the Spurs and now the same people who scoffed are trying to do a complete 180 over reaction.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

DPG you're in denial bro, not us.

[ploto]

The Grizzlies defense was better than the Spurs offense, and that offense is what the Spurs hung their hat on all season.

[DPG21920]

Tim is no longer better than ZBo, and was canceled out by Gasol. That's where the series was lost.

Tough facts. But truth

True. Tim was out played by both. Spurs are a better team.

[jag]

So evidently the Grizz are the most deep, rugged and talented team in the league. It's hilarious bc I was one of only a few vocal posters about how tough the Grizz were for the Spurs and now the same people who scoffed are trying to do a complete 180 over reaction.

no. But they're better than the Spurs.

Tough facts, but truth.

[DPG21920]

DPG you're in denial bro, not us.

No. You are having a knee-jerk reaction to a choke.

[MannyIsGod]

True. I felt that the Spurs would be hungry, only Tim, Manu, Bonner and Tomy have won NBA championships, but I guess that's the way it goes. As much as I liked McDyess calling the team out, he should have lead by example. Even if it cost him a game, fouling the shot out of Zach Randolph in a game AT San Antonio would have sparked the team and been what the Spurs needed. I mean if Antonio McDyes went Kevin McHale on Kurt Rambus out there that would have sent a message to the quiet Spurs fans, the soft Spurs players and the young Memphis team that the Spurs meant business.

Hard to listen to a guy who's not out there really producing all that much. It seemed to me as an outsider that AD spoke out because he felt his last chance at a ring slipping away, but thats life.

George Hill, Matt Bonner, Richard Jefferson are all far too soft. Blair is probably in that group also. This team didn't have the mental strength to compete with the Griz.

[ShoogarBear]

So evidently the Grizz are the most deep, rugged and talented team in the league. It's hilarious bc I was one of only a few vocal posters about how tough the Grizz were for the Spurs and now the same people who scoffed are trying to do a complete 180 over reaction.

Hmm, I said the Griz were a bad matchup for the Spurs. And nobody said they were the most deep, rugged, and talented team in the league.

Talk about over reaction.

[mingus]

Spurs weren't going to win the this series w/o Manu in game 1. Spurs worked hard all year long for HCA. it is clear that they need it in this series because Memphis is the better team. Manu said he wanted to play and i think Pop should've listened to his best player.

but let's move on...

Spurs weren't going to win it all this year. i think they match up very well against OKC and could've beaten them, but they were not going to beat LA, basically a better version of Memphis. and, to me, there are two reasons this team was never a contender, and i see it now. first, and most importantly, Duncan isn't Duncan anymore. he's a shadow of his former self. the Duncan we saw in the reg. season was here to stay. he can no longer "flip the switch" in the playoffs. he's just too damn old. nothing wrong with that. father time gets the best of everyone. second reason the Spurs were not contenders is they don't have a perimiter defender. they don't have anyone they can say "go make player x work his ass for a basket." i mean, Mike Conley and, at times (too many times), Sam Young looked looked like All-Stars. a guy like Bowen would've shut at least one of those guys down and Memphis loses.

[DMC]

The Grizz were better built and trained to win against the Spurs than the Spurs were to win against the Grizz.

The Spurs were built to do well in the regular season, and in the playoffs you could see Pop trying to patch in the old style inside out game and it didn't work. Ginobili's injury had a role, but all in all the Spurs are no exception to the rule that you dance with the one that brought you, and the inside out game did not bring the Spurs to the playoffs. Tim was not relied upon during the season to win games. Tiago was not relied upon to do anything. Suddenly we start relying on them as if Tim is a secret weapon.

I really do not think there was anything this team could have done with the players they had, other than play Tiago more, to get them to the ring. They were, at best, a WCF team but no way they get out of it.

I have thoroughly enjoyed watching Tim play since he was drafted and even in college. The problem with greats like Tim is that we see them in their waning years and those who don't really know start questioning just how great they were to begin with. For that reason, I hope Tim does his retirement tour next year and enjoys his health, his kids and his wife wherever he chooses to live. He's a class act just like Dave and deserves no less.

I hope Kobe dies in a grease fire. j/k

[MannyIsGod]

No. You are having a knee-jerk reaction to a choke.

You've been saying all year how the Spurs are overachieving and they had problems and now all of a sudden its a choke. They just weren't that good. They didn't have a player in the series the caliber of Zach Randolph and Gasol was Duncan's equal. Their defense was far better and the truth is they were the better team - not by much - but they were the better team.

[jag]

If DPG really wants to talk about which team is more "talented", then let's start talking about OJ Mayo's raw basketball talent. He might be the most talented player on either bench but doesn't have the brain to put it all together. Let's talk about Rudy Gay's talent that was wrapped up in an arm sling.

If it makes you feel better to say the Spurs are more "talented", then so be it. But keep in mind that's not the reality of a team that just lost 4-2.

[HarlemHeat37]

This was a case of match-ups..Memphis matched up perfectly with the Spurs..the Lakers are the only team in the West that presented a worse match up than Memphis..

I don't think they're better than the Spurs against the rest of the West, other than LA, though..they will get killed by OKC, their flaws will be exploited..this was a perfect match up, they obviously knew it, since they tanked to get this match up..

[mytespurs]

In this series, Memphis was better. That's the point. You can argue semantics all you want, but the Spurs weren't strong enough, quick enough, athletic enough, relentless enough, and certainly, not good enough on D to beat the Grizzlies.

And the Spurs did try...they just couldn't get it done.

Well said Kori! Memphis was the better team throughout this series & DESERVED to go to the next round.

Like many Spurs fans, I'm sad, disappointed, angry, depressed....you name it, on how the season ended.....hard to believe this team was able to win 61 games and yet get ousted in the 1st round w/o a chance to compete for the championship. Yet I'm also relieved because the way this team was playing at this point, if they were able to escape Memphis, they would've been eliminated by either OKC or the Lakers.

So congratulations Memphis-well earned & well deserved win!!! Good Luck in the next round.

And to my Spurs, thanks for a wonderful season; looking forward to 2011-2012. Have a great summer guys & stay healthy.......and come back hungry!!!!

[Ghazi]

Grizz were betterPERIOD

DPG, you wrong on dis

[MannyIsGod]

Convinced DPG just likes to be contrarian at this point.