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Im actually surprsied most of these trades seem plausible.
I don't see the Bobcats giving up those two players for RJ. S.Jax is their leading scorer.
Im actually surprsied most of these trades seem plausible.
Would Rj & Anderson to Denver for J.R. Smith work? Both Denver and Smith want to end his stay there.
We pick up an unstable 6'6" shooting guard, but we're trying to corner the market on those mid 6 footers anyway anyway.
Why doesn't RJ retire already instead, everyone would be better off if he did.
This is good.
I dont know about RJ for Rip Hamilton idea. Terrible contract for terrible contract. It might take something like that to get this done though. Would you guys be happy with that? Even though it gives us another SG we dont need?
No, this team needs more size and defense. I'd rather package R.J and Blair for Varejao.
They say one mans trash is another mans treasure...
The only team that RJ would realistically thrive in would be Golden State. No defense necesary, just run and gun and dont really give a about winning.
Get his ass outta here...
If Spurs do a trade including Dice, they need to do it before July because his contract became fully guaranteed on July 1st. He can always postponed this date but it would be more simple for Spurs to do a trade now or during the draft.
Some teams can decide to wait until the new CBA to do trades/moves but Spurs can't wait July if they want to use Dice's contract that is one of their best trade asset.
Rip Hamilton's 2012-13 salary is only partially guaranteed. I believe only about $3 million is guaranteed (in effect the equivalent of a buyout in baseball). So his contract doesn't look nearly as bad. Next season's salary is the only heavy money invested in him. The trade idea in the OP actually adds money to the Pistons payroll.
A straight up RJ for Rip trade makes even less sense considering that. Essentially RJ's $30 million, 3 year deal for Rip's (approximately) $16 million over two years with the second year $3 some million. Would be a foolish trade for Detroit.
RJ didn't suffered some terrible injury nor he's too old. It's common knowledge that it's difficult to adjust to Pop system, so I don't think other teams perceive RJ as scrub. With some plays called for him, he would be at least an efficient 15-18 ppg and 4-5 rpg SF for another team.
The Spurs can showcase him, running the offense trough him at the start of the season. There aren't good trade prospects in the off season, but when some teams underachieve many GM's take the risk to trade and there are good players available.
The Spurs need an all-star big man, an defensive big wouldn't be enough to make the Spurs contenders.
The Spurs have various good options at SF for the next season also Anderson seems talented, so RJ may be expandable. Prince, Battier or Kirilenko are good, if the Spurs could sign of them for the MLE and arrange a S&T for another it would be even better.
The team has to add as much talent as possible this off season, regardless of the position, to be able to pull a trade and have enough quality players left.
Pistons don't save money. Prince is a free agent and the Pistons can let him walk, and they have two young small forwards on the roster they like in Jerebko and Daye. The Pistons would be adding money in this deal, not saving money even if they don't have to pay Dice a dime. And they don't add one player that helps them. Small forward is not a need.
Richard Jefferson turns 31 in a couple of months. He has three years, $30 million left on his contract because no way he doesn't take his option in the last year. The Pistons are not in a position to add a player like Jefferson when they are in complete rebuild mode. Jefferson is exactly the opposite player they'd want to add to the roster at the moment considering the position he plays, his age, and his money.
Don't want Blair. Don't want Anderson. The deal stinks from all angles for the Pistons.
Charlie Vill. only played 22min per game last year. I think this would be a great deal for both teams. Rj could play 30 plus min and score 18ppg.
Bad value for Pistons-They have Daye at the SF spot, who improved a lot last year and is being paid essentially nothing. At the same time, they have Jerekbo to back him up, who like Daye, gets paid essentially nothing. No reason to add Jefferson's salary and talent to the mix; which would just stunt Daye and Jerekbo's growth as players due to playing time.
Pistons would say no in a heartbeat.
Hamilton last year of his contract is $9M guaranteed not $3M. Unless Rip trully sukcs, I would rather pay $12.5M for one year with him than $9M for nothing. It doesn't really makes his contract less worst.
My mistake, I could have sworn it was the other way around.
i like n. 5...rj is at his best in a running team and childress could be a good defender. win win for both teams...
Rj 9,282,000
Anderson1,486,000
Blair 986,000
Dice 5,220,000
16970000-dice=11,754,000
Charlie 7,540,000
Yeah you are right Pistons do not save money. If the Pistons did like the young players in the package that additional money wouldn't be a big deal. The 1.7 mil increase from Charlie's contract to Rj is what would matter. Rj is going to bring more than Charlie's 22mpg impact.
In order to make this happen we might have to give up Hill instead of Anderson. Or if Pistons are interested we could add the Spurs first round pick.
The Pistons rebuilding process is virtually the same with Charlie or with RJ. The possible deal breaker is if the Pistons see the guys you mention as future starters on the team. If the Pistons can ac ulate enough young players they might be able to move Hamilton or Ben Gordon contract somewhere for another big contract that end just one year. This could benefit the rebuilding process.
I still see a possible deal.
Last edited by Nathan89; 05-01-2011 at 04:27 PM.
I like all those options
RJ needs to GTFO
The 29th pick in a weak draft isn't going to be enough to sell any team on taking RJ. None of these proposals are realistic unless your talking from a Spurs standpoint. The only way you trade RJ is to package him with youth like Hill and/or Blair. No team wants a broken down has been who's deteriorating right before our eyes. Teams like Phoenix and Charlotte are looking to get younger, they would want no part of RJ.
Face it... RJ will always be the clunker that killed the Spurs dynasty.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 05-01-2011 at 05:09 PM.
The rebuilding process is not the same with Charlie or RJ. RJ is a small forward. The best position for both Jerebko and Daye is small forward. Acquiring RJ and playing him starter minutes stunts the growth of both those young players. It's why the Pistons will likely not re-sign Prince. And both have already started for the Pistons and both are viewed as starters. The Pistons don't have a young PF that Charlie (especially in his back-up minutes) will stunt. Even if Jerebko ends up playing some PF, because Charlie plays around 24 MPG, Jerebko can still get his time at PF and SF.
Plus, you disregard age. RJ is about to be 31 years old. He'll be 33 on the last year of his contract. Charlie is about to be 27 years old. He'll be 29 the last year of his contract. Considering the salary difference ($11 million versus $8.5 million) and the age of each player, as well as the position each plays makes the rebuilding process extremely different whether it's Charlie or RJ.
Jefferson already had a chance to show what he is when he's the first option on a team. He did it in Milwaukee. Even did it some his last couple seasons in New Jersey. They were bad teams. Detroit is not in the position to get an older veteran player to be "the guy" on their team only to continue to be a bad team and not develop its youth. And over and above that, they add salary? No way.
It's an extremely bad deal for the Pistons. It's something I see as not even remotely possible or realistic.
well that certainly puts that trade in perspective...
I've always been a fan of Josh Childress, so if the Spurs/Suns can make a trade that works involving RJ for Childress, go for it
If the Pistons want to move Hamilton bad enough the trade could happen. Pistons save money and clear cap-space a year sooner.
Example
G. Hill+Rip for J.Terry
Pistons will have to have to trade one of the guys that you seem to like so much.
I know it's a pipe dream.
Bruno, would you move on if the Spurs traded Parker? Just curious if you are a Tony fan or a Spurs fan or both..........
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