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well for trained soldiers and the correct equipment it is perfectly possible to capture alive a guy even if he didn't want to surrender unless he had some explosives with a detonator. That could be an explanation... I guess.
No one's saying you can trust the govt' 100% on everything. But in THIS case, the evidence seems to be in their favor. (Plus it would take a monumental idiot to claim Bin Laden is dead without some sort of proof.)
well for trained soldiers and the correct equipment it is perfectly possible to capture alive a guy even if he didn't want to surrender unless he had some explosives with a detonator. That could be an explanation... I guess.
ummm, he was killed in a FIREFIGHT.
answers my questionAnother white-knuckle moment – at the end of the operation, Pakistan’s military scrambled fighter jets looking for the US helicopters. Who knows what could have happened if the Pakistani planes had reached the US helicopters -- but they didn’t.
It's possible, yes, but at a much greater risk to the soldiers involved. That mission involved multiple things going right, and they were on a strict time limit obviously. They didn't have time to get into an extended firefight, or deal with a hostile prisoner. If he had given up immediately, with all of his men, and not done ANYTHING hostile, he might have lived.
I doubt that occurred. Of course, we'll never know for sure. But I'm inclined to believe the explanation that was handed out, as I can't picture Osama just giving up.
Even if he WASN'T lying, it wouldn't change my opinion.
I believe you, but it's so much better to know that he was lying, isn't it?
Cap the bas and dump his body in the middle of the ing ocean.
Well done.
Nor mine.
Definitely. Anything that denigrates waterboarding, and enhances classic interrogation, is a thumbs up in my eyes.
Edit: I know that last part is worded strangely, but you get what I mean.
Are they watching the firefight or something?This is how it is done sons.
And the Pakistanis. Those ing bas s.
Yes, we should repeat the words of the article DarrinS linked that exposed his lie:http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344Definitely. Anything that denigrates waterboarding, and enhances classic interrogation, is a thumbs up in my eyes.
Edit: I know that last part is worded strangely, but you get what I mean.
You're too stupid to realize you can watch full episodes online.
You're stupid.
It's worth repeating.
From your own link:
Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.
Nice strawman and nope, not cool with that at all.
They could have just told them we were shipping four choppers to Afghanistan for some BS mission... it was a 40 min quick stop and if not for the downed chopper they probably wouldn't have known any better.
We'll likely never know, but I bet we had a couple of F-22s flying overwatch to deal with anything like that. Pakistanis would have probably been blown out of the sky.Another white-knuckle moment – at the end of the operation, Pakistan’s military scrambled fighter jets looking for the US helicopters. Who knows what could have happened if the Pakistani planes had reached the US helicopters -- but they didn’t.
The increased tempo of US operations inside Pakistan since 2009 and this operation seem to reflect that view.
I found that on a french newspaper
"Mais Ben Laden lui-même avait indiqué à plusieurs reprises qu'il mourrait en martyr et qu'il ne se laisserait jamais capturer. Par conséquent, je pense qu'ils ont dû faire plusieurs sommations, mais comme Ben Laden lui-même circulait souvent armé et portait en règle générale une ceinture d'explosifs, les forces spéciales n'ont pas eu d'autre choix que de l'abattre pour éviter d'abord qu'il ne les tue, et aussi pour être sûr d'arriver à un résultat."
"It says roughly Ben Laden had indicated he wanted to die like a martyr and he would never surrender. There US forces made certainly several warnings but as Ben Laden had a gun and usually had explosives with him the special forces had no alternatives to avoid casualties."
didn't know he was wearing explosives.
Anyway thats a very good news.
French site also stated that putting him under water was meant to avoid a cult of his body and no pictures to avoid a disrespect to muslim religion that could lead to violent movement of revolts.
all in all sounds plausible
you guys are mean. you ran darrin off.
I would find much more justified the US issuing an ultimatum to Pakistan to clean up their or else, than keep on wasting money in Afghanistan, when it's been fairly obvious that pretty much all the support for the bad guys is coming straight from there, and that your average afghan citizen doesn't seem too interested in being a 'bastion of democracy'...
heard the compound was only 200 meters from the Pakistani Military Academy
what. the. .
This pic can't be accurate. According to WC, Obama wasn't aware of the operation and was caught off guard by it just before making his long-awaited Sunday evening tornado speech.This is how it is done sons.
Not a dumb question at all. The Primary reason for not capturing UBL would be, IMHO, that a live terrorist leader would have to be kept somewhere, and the somewhere that he would be would be a flash-target of massive proportions for terrorists the world over.
The same rationale, I think, for burying him at sea. Burying him where no one could build a shrine, dig him up and venerate his remains.
LIke the remains of the Tsar's family after they were assassinated, like the cremation of the remains of the Nazi war criminals after the Nuremburg executions, you just don't want to allow the bodies of big-time enemies to be used to rally the remaining members of the enemy group.
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