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    The AP and insurance industry periodicals, as well as Newt's own book, all got it wrong. A likely story.
    My searches never revealed the quote, but did reveal a combination if ideas.
    Maybe you need to look harder. There are plenty of sources on this, if you care to look. Probably even some direct quotations.
    If you know it exits, then find it for me. If it exists, it should be easy for you to find since you claim it does. You must know a key phrase to find it under.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 05-19-2011 at 08:30 AM.

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    Do you always believe what the author of the article says? Did you even read the whole article you linked? This was part of it:

    Should is not a mandate. The author says "a plan of attack that includes insurance mandates for people who earn more than $75,000 a year." The only Gingrich quotes I found that were close did not say that.

    I say again:

    It is impossible to prove a negative. Therefor, I ask you show me a quote in context to support your contention. Please show me where he says mandate.
    You weasle words like a ing lawyer, WC. In the context of the discussion, stating that everyone "should" have insurance, (nevermind the syntactic "should" as an auxiliary function to express obligation, or propriety) is the functional equivalent of "required". If you had one ounce of intellectual honesty, you would've conceded this point pages ago. But since you don't, I offer these:

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/gue...newt-gingrich/
    In a June 2007 op-ed in the Des Moines Register, Gingrich wrote, “Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance, particularly when they can afford it, and expect others to pay for their care when they need it.” An “individual mandate,” he added, should be applied “when the larger health-care system has been fundamentally changed.”
    And in several of his many policy and politics-focused books, Gingrich offered much the same.
    In 2008′s “Real Change,” he wrote, “Finally, we should insist that everyone above a certain level buy coverage (or, if they are opposed to insurance, post a bond). Meanwhile, we should provide tax credits or subsidize private insurance for the poor.”
    In 2005′s “Winning the Future,” he expanded on the idea in more detail: “You have the right to be part of the lowest-cost insurance pool and you have a responsibility to buy insurance. … We need some significant changes to ensure that every American is insured, but we should make it clear that a 21st Century Intelligent System requires everyone to participate in the insurance system.”
    “People whose income is too low should receive Medicaid vouchers and tax credits to buy insurance,” he continued. “Large risk pools (association health plans are one model) should be established so low-income people can buy insurance as inexpensively as large corporations. Furthermore, it should be possible to buy your health insurance on-line to lower the cost as much as possible.”

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    follw the bread crumbs re

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    You weasle words like a ing lawyer, WC. In the context of the discussion, stating that everyone "should" have insurance, (nevermind the syntactic "should" as an auxiliary function to express obligation, or propriety) is the functional equivalent of "required". If you had one ounce of intellectual honesty, you would've conceded this point pages ago. But since you don't, I offer these:

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/gue...newt-gingrich/
    In a June 2007 op-ed in the Des Moines Register, Gingrich wrote, “Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance, particularly when they can afford it, and expect others to pay for their care when they need it.” An “individual mandate,” he added, should be applied “when the larger health-care system has been fundamentally changed.”
    And in several of his many policy and politics-focused books, Gingrich offered much the same.
    In 2008′s “Real Change,” he wrote, “Finally, we should insist that everyone above a certain level buy coverage (or, if they are opposed to insurance, post a bond). Meanwhile, we should provide tax credits or subsidize private insurance for the poor.”
    In 2005′s “Winning the Future,” he expanded on the idea in more detail: “You have the right to be part of the lowest-cost insurance pool and you have a responsibility to buy insurance. … We need some significant changes to ensure that every American is insured, but we should make it clear that a 21st Century Intelligent System requires everyone to participate in the insurance system.”
    “People whose income is too low should receive Medicaid vouchers and tax credits to buy insurance,” he continued. “Large risk pools (association health plans are one model) should be established so low-income people can buy insurance as inexpensively as large corporations. Furthermore, it should be possible to buy your health insurance on-line to lower the cost as much as possible.”
    I did find the entire transcript of the partial quotes you listed. Within that, at the end, he left open the allowing acknowledgement that people are not required to have coverage, but that they acknowledge its still their personal responsibility.

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    Ok so he's playing both sides of the argument, which he does constantly. Still doesn't negate the point : He advocated a mandate.

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    If you know it exits, then find it for me. If it exists, it should be easy for you to find since you claim it does. You must know a key phrase to find it under.
    Delivered. Now stfu and move along.

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    BTW...a couple of pages ago, your initial premise was destroyed also. See a pattern?

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...7&postcount=39

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    Newt's frustrating as . Sometimes he comes across like he actually has a clue. Other times I just want to grab his melon and yell into his ears "Is anybody in there?"

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    "Any ad which quotes what I said Sunday is a falsehood."




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    I know. I couldn't have scripted this any funnier.

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    BTW...a couple of pages ago, your initial premise was destroyed also. See a pattern?

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...7&postcount=39
    Damn, you beat me to it.

    He was directly responding to a question about the Ryan plan.

    Instead of actually watching the interview to see the other side of the question, he just looked at the direct quote, and assumed that "the media" and lib s were lying and goes off.

    Classic.

    Predictable.

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    NEWT GINGRICH: Yeah, I agree that all of us have a responsibility to pay-- help pay for healthcare. And-- and I think that-- there are ways to do it that make most libertarians relatively happy. I've said consistently-- where there's some requirement you either have health insurance or you post a bond or in some way you indicate you're going to be held accountable.
    Accountability does not mean insurance. In my case, I would be indicate accountability by paying out of pocket as needed.

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    I know. I couldn't have scripted this any funnier.

    Also notable was something Jon Stewart noted:

    Instead of standing by his statements, Gingrich placed the blame on "Meet The Press," saying it was a "set-up" and implying that David Gregory had somehow tricked him into saying Ryan's plan was radical. He even said, "any ad which quotes what I said on Sunday is a falsehood."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_864030.html

    The guy was "ambushed" by a show he has been on 35 times?

    Seriously?

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    Accountability does not mean insurance. In my case, I would be indicate accountability by paying out of pocket as needed.
    Meh. Medical bills don't go on your credit report (supposedly), and medical costs are one of the primary drivers of bankruptcy.

    A personal statement of "accountability" means

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    Accountability does not mean insurance. In my case, I would be indicate accountability by paying out of pocket as needed.
    you don't have health insurance?

    damn, we're gonna end up paying for this clown, again.

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    Why is it so important for you to continue to be wrong, WC?

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    you don't have health insurance?

    damn, we're gonna end up paying for this clown, again.
    I have been without healthcare for myself and family at times. I have paid out of pocket. It's not as expensive as you think it is when the doctors get cash payment. They don't have to fill out all that extra paperwork that gets audited and kicked back for any stupid reason. Paid on the spot, their prices are amazingly less if you shop around.

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    I have been without healthcare for myself and family at times. I have paid out of pocket. It's not as expensive as you think it is when the doctors get cash payment. They don't have to fill out all that extra paperwork that gets audited and kicked back for any stupid reason. Paid on the spot, their prices are amazingly less if you shop around.
    you think we're worried about paying for an office visit?

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    Why must you all change the goalpost?

    I quoted Gingrich that clearly means having insurance is not a mandate by his ideas.

    Do you guys lack the integrity to acknowledge that?

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    Accountability does not mean insurance. In my case, I would be indicate accountability by paying out of pocket as needed.
    You need a cardiac stent. You have $125K cash?

    Something weird in your lungs. You got $25K cash?

    Umbilical hernia, really boring, 100Ks done per year. $16K cash.

    etc, etc.

    People who are living from paycheck to paycheck, 10Ms of them, don't have $10Ks in their pockets.

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    BTW...a couple of pages ago, your initial premise was destroyed also. See a pattern?

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...7&postcount=39
    It is a long established pattern.

    Topic of article:
    Should impacts of reduced pollution on health costs be considered when calculating costs/benefits of proposed air pollution legilstation?

    The main point of the article was that the CBO was considering doing this to make their estimates a bit more comprehensive.

    WC's immediate take on that was that the AP journalist was biased, so we couldn't believe the article, despite the fact that the journalist directly quoted a CBO official.

    When pressed on the fact of whether or not the articles depiction of the internal debate was accurate, he then went off on the definition of "pollution" or something similar, and then went even further fixating on one word in the article that was given as a plural when it should have been a singular to be more technically accurate.

    This was then used as a logical reason to completely discount the entire thrust of the article somehow, and how silly liberals were to think that including health costs in calculation of the costs of air pollution should be considered.

    I was left shaking my head at that one.

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    Why must you all change the goalpost?

    I quoted Gingrich that clearly means having insurance is not a mandate by his ideas.

    Do you guys lack the integrity to acknowledge that?
    It's not a lack of integrity on our part, WC. It's your appalling lack of intellectual honesty. I'll just post this again so you can continue your demonstration of an utter lack of comprehension.

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/gue...newt-gingrich/
    In a June 2007 op-ed in the Des Moines Register, Gingrich wrote, “Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance, particularly when they can afford it, and expect others to pay for their care when they need it.” An “individual mandate,” he added, should be applied “when the larger health-care system has been fundamentally changed.”
    And in several of his many policy and politics-focused books, Gingrich offered much the same.
    In 2008′s “Real Change,” he wrote, “Finally, we should insist that everyone above a certain level buy coverage (or, if they are opposed to insurance, post a bond). Meanwhile, we should provide tax credits or subsidize private insurance for the poor.”
    In 2005′s “Winning the Future,” he expanded on the idea in more detail: “You have the right to be part of the lowest-cost insurance pool and you have a responsibility to buy insurance. … We need some significant changes to ensure that every American is insured, but we should make it clear that a 21st Century Intelligent System requires everyone to participate in the insurance system.”
    “People whose income is too low should receive Medicaid vouchers and tax credits to buy insurance,” he continued. “Large risk pools (association health plans are one model) should be established so low-income people can buy insurance as inexpensively as large corporations. Furthermore, it should be possible to buy your health insurance on-line to lower the cost as much as possible.

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    I have been without healthcare for myself and family at times. I have paid out of pocket. It's not as expensive as you think it is when the doctors get cash payment. They don't have to fill out all that extra paperwork that gets audited and kicked back for any stupid reason. Paid on the spot, their prices are amazingly less if you shop around.
    Which is all well and good until you get hit by a bus.

    With the rapture coming up and all I would hope that all the bus drivers are sinners, cause I'd hate to be driving my ass down the street when the rapture happens, and some jackwad true believer vanishes in a puff of glitter and unicorn dust, leaving his out of control 15 ton-vehicle to smash into me.

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    A typical person would have bailed out on page one.

    But at this point, it's not possible for WC to make any bigger fool of himself, so I guess he's playing with house money here.

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