The Bulls never missed the playoffs when Jordan suited up.
You are right, he had 3 first round exits in his first 3 seasons.
With him as rookie the Bulls passed from 27W-55L to 38W-44L. When he retired first time, the Bulls passed from 57W-25L (winning the championship) to 55W-27L (second round exit).
He can't compare favorably with the impact Bird had on the C's or Magic for the Lakers, so it's no wonder it took him much more time to win championships.
Yes. Pippen was an absolute stud, superstar, and top 50 player. Jordan is sitting with his in his ringless hand right now if Pippen is never on that team.
I love it that he said it but I think its too early to say it
Pippen has never had Jordan's back. He's said that he was the better player before.
They're not HoF worthy nor All Stars before Jordan came there. They were still playing college ball when Jordan got there. However they were still All Stars even before Jordan left them. Testament to how good they were as individual players.
2nd round exit, but came extremely close to knocking off the same Knicks team they beat one year earlier, without homecourt
Would they have beaten the Pacers in the ECF? Hard to say, but they almost made it to the Conference Finals
first woj started to compare lebron to jordan, then the commentators calling what they saw out of lebron "jordanesque," now et tu pippen?
NBA analysts are so funny. Watch LeBron have ONE bad game and they'll call him over-rated again.
Until he rings it's all moot.
I just get a little annoyed that nobody is allowed to question MJ as the top player. It's considered taboo. I've never liked that sort of thing in sports. Joe Montana at QB for example.
Different players that play in different eras need to be compared, but it always seems one sided. It's always the past players that are remembered as better then they really were.
Don't even get me started on how INDIVIDUAL players are ranked based upon championships. When people say _____ won ___ championships, I throw up in my mouth a little. No, their team they were fortunate enough to be on won __ championships during their time with that team. Not the individual player.
In the future if Big Ben wins another Superbowl, he'll be talked about as one of the greatest QBs ever, and he just plain isn't. There are so many great players that, just cause of pure luck, never won multiple championships or even one. I don't like how those players are automatically out of all GOAT conversations.
You can question MJ as the GOAT, but if you're going to question it then your argument has to have substance. As it stands there is no way you could argue LBJ to be anywhere near the GOAT. Let his career finish then compare.
i think it's a little hard to compare lebron with jordan since they have different play styles. lebron isn't attempting to imitate jordan like kobe, lebron is his own player. lebron can pretty much do everything, including making his teammates better. you can definitely call lebron jordan's peer and the greatest SF ever. they are on the same level in terms of greatness, the same way duncan is on the same level as the greatest PF ever.
check the stats biitttchhhessss...simple as that
Lebron might not even be a top 10 player when it's all said and done. Pippen said he may end up being the greatest player ever by the end of his career which can be said about a couple of players in every generation. To me, Lebron has to win at least 5 rings to even be put on the same pedestal as Jordan, and he is 5 rings short of that right now.
good post, its hard to compare players from different eras because of different cir stances
Those W-L records mean nothing without context. The year the Bulls won 38 games, the second best player on that team was a toss-up between Orlando Woolridge, Quintin Dailey and Dave Corzine. When MJ left they still had Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, Kerr, Armstrong, Longley etc. They would have made the playoffs, but would never win.
The thing about Magic was that on many nights he wasn't the best player on his team. Kareem was the most reliable and efficient scorer on that team, and Worthy was an excellent option on the wing. Heck, the Lakers bench had players like McAdoo, Cooper, Rambis, Wilkes and was probably better than the Bulls starters minus MJ in 1985.
Granted, Magic's Finals-clinching game in his rookie year is the greatest single game individual performance of all time. But throughout the 80s, he played on a team that was head and shoulders above anyone else. And he choked miserably in the 84 finals, which doesn't get talked about much.
Kareem > Magic in my book.
Jordan didn't win until his 7th year in the league. He was always regarded as great, but never able to get over the hump until Scottie came along. My how a couple of rings can change people's tune.
Bron will get his first this year, and he's not even as old as MJ was when he got his first.....so he has plenty of opportunity to get it done.
Yeah, but it was still the Celtics and the Lakers. Boston won the le three years before he got there (albeit with a completely different team minus a healthy Dave Cowens) and L.A. had the best player in the league on the roster when Magic got there.
Chicago, on the other hand, never even won a conference le before Jordan. They hadn't had good teams since the early '70s and those teams were cannon fodder for Kareem's Bucks and Wilt's Lakers.
Jordan deserves credit for completely remaking a franchise that hadn't won anything before he got there- and hasn't won anything since he left.
MJ = most overrated player in the history of sports. LeBron does way more.
Pippen is more credible than most when it comes to this subject. That being said, I cannot agree with him - not yet. Last year in Cleveland, LBJ lead them in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. Has any player ever done that at such a high level? Ultimately he will be measured by rings. I'll have to put the proverbial "*" next to any ring he gets because he went to Wade's team to get it.
As far as scoring, I believe Kobe is a better scorer than MJ was. I believe MJ had a higher hoops IQ than Kobe does (Kobe is so confident/ y that he takes a ton of stupid shots that hurt his efficiency). To Kobe's credit, he did his scoring against more wing players that were just as athletic as he is or more (see Wince Carter and T-Mac before the injuries as 2 examples). Not taking away from MJ, but the only players that could even hang with him athletically back then were Drexler, Dumars, and maybe Reggie. All others were overmatched. Besides, 81 > 69.
if pippen says Lebron is better, then he probably is.
You are right...MJ couldnt even get 80. Greatest scorer my ass.
You sorta kinda contradicted yourself there.
Kobe would be a good scorer if he took high percentage shots.
Greg Oden would be a good center if he didn't get injured.
Russell Westbrook would be a good point guard if he passed the ball.
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