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You would be hard pressed to find an illegal around here that will do yard work for less than $10/hour... It's still 5x cheaper than hiring a landscaping company though.
you had gloves?At least I got free gloves.
I had to buy me some long sleeve shirts tho. Lesson #1, wear long sleeve shirts.
sheeeeeeeeeut!
You would be hard pressed to find an illegal around here that will do yard work for less than $10/hour... It's still 5x cheaper than hiring a landscaping company though.
Yeah, yeah....and we all walked 20 miles in 5 feet high snow to be sure to get to school early in the morning.....can you imagine telling people that they got to go live as share croppers and pick cotton for the man....yeah....this is going to be fun....
Maybe the welfare system need to be revamped...
30% is a of a lot of crops and mechanization ain't cheap....advantage large corporate farms..
No .
At that scale, the large companies benefit more than consumers. If I have time, I'll try to find the study that comes to that conclusion.
Yeah, but 30% is stll 30%. Its not the monster driver I think Manny was trying to imply.
The Center for Immigration Studies has some good research...Might be a decent place to look..... So does. The Agricultural Coalition for Immigration Reform.
Eh, 30% is ing huge, IMO. Especially when you consider if that is 30% of all crops and how much is that affected by grains? Whats the percentage when its not grain crops? Our nation has ty access to fresh food as it is and this sure as isn't going to help.
I dont have any stats in front of me but I suspect that thirty % is probably entirely produce.
... and the consumers who spend the highest % of their income on food (read: poor) get to have vegetables and fruit for a lower cost.
Two sides to every coin.
To address unemployment, Georgia governor proposes farm work
CNNAtlanta (CNN) -- Are you out of work? Are you looking for a job? Do you live in Georgia?
If the answer to those questions is "yes," Gov. Nathan Deal has an idea for you: Become a farm worker.
"We still have an unemployment level here that is unacceptably high, whether or not we can provide some way of transitioning some of those individuals," Deal said last week.
"Perhaps it requires some relocation in some cases for them to be able to fill some of these jobs. We're going to explore all of those things."
farm labor in Georgia gets paid $9.12 an hour
It's laughable that they still don't get it. They had people willing to do the work, and now they don't. They drove them out.
Lonestar Card > $10/hr manual labor
This is Amerikuhhh!
Ag industry faces labor woes in immigration debate
A plan to require all American businesses to run their employees through E-Verify, a program that confirms each is legally en led to work in the U.S., could wreak havoc on an industry where 80 percent of the field workers are illegal immigrants. So could the increased paperwork audits already under way by the Obama administration.
"We are headed toward a train wreck," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat whose district includes agriculture-rich areas. "The stepped up (workplace) enforcement has brought this to a head."
Lofgren said farmers are worried that their work force is about to disappear. They say they want to hire legal workers and U.S. citizens, but that it's nearly impossible, given the relatively low wages and back-breaking work.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...ration_debate/
If they had the foresight, they should have done two thing.
1) Offer more money per unit of fruit picked.
2) Go to the state unemployment services and get workers. Unless georgia is really ed up, they would send people to apply for those jobs, verify, and take people off the welfare rolls who didn't take offerd jobs.
One of the few things I agree with you on.
Again, supply and demand rules. In this case, you raise wages until you can get the people needed.
It's the cheap way to solve the illegal immigration problem. If people cannot get jobs, they self deport, or move onto more friendly states like California.
A few years ago, Oregon made it much harder for illegals to get a drivers license. Today, I see very few working the fast food places. Used to be almost all Latino. I think maybe, as their current licenses expired, and couldn't renew, it helped in the self deportation precess here.
Yes it is, or at least was when I was a kid. My mother used to take us kids to the field. We picked and ate. As kids, we weren't very active until the second day, and we saw all the money we made. Then, the child labor laws came in play, and mothers could no longer take their kids to the fields.
I remember a radio interview that Lars Larson did a few years ago with a Potato Grower in Idaho. He refused to higher illegal labor. He said his potatoes cost him 3 cents a pound more to take to market than his compe ors. I doubt there would be a serious market price impact with other items by paying wages that legal help would do.
FL tomoto pickers and Booger Kink:
Burger King Resists Pay Increase for Tomato Pickers
"Wages for Florida tomato pickers have stayed the same for nearly 20 years. Following the lead of McDonald's and other fast food giants, a Florida-based immigrant rights group is pressuring Burger King to pay a penny more per pound for tomatoes."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=89750307
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Ripe Opportunity: Florida Tomato Pickers Get First Real Raise in 30 Years
The workers who pick those tomatoes earn just 1.4 cents per pound they pick. That works out to about $10,000 to $12,000 a year, and they haven't seen a significant raise in nearly 30 years.
Now that the money is released, however, tomato pickers could see their yearly wages increase to around $17,000 a year
http://news.change.org/stories/ripe-...se-in-30-years
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a couple cents/pound max for picking tomatoes? Maybe that's why there's no machines to pick tomatoes, strawberries, etc.
This bill seems pretty reasonable to me. Didn't read the hole thing but did keyword searches.
Why didn't anyone else in this thread look for the actual bill?
Vote record on HB 87, links to current and previous versions, signed 5/13/11 into law, effective 6/1/11.
HB 87; Illegal Immigration Reform and Enforcement Act of 2011
Text of HB 87:
House Bill 87 (AS PASSED HOUSE AND SENATE)
I don't believe this article, or the pickers are real slow.
Burger size tomatoes are almost a pound each. If they are only 1/2 pound average, at one we second, that's $25.20 per hour.
0.5 x $0.14 x 3600 seconds/hour = $25.20/hr.
The high quality of NPR...
You think people can pick a tomato a second?
The quality of WC.
WC really thinks someone is going to pick 3600 tomatoes an hour?
What the is wrong with you? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
You must be one slow mo fo Manny.
You think the tomatoes walk themselves to the trucks? You think the plants come to you? You think you have a huge container that magically carries itself? You think people pick at the same speed after working 10 hours?
Yes, I'm the slow one, WC. The quality of WC! Not only is he an expert parts changer, physicist, beer maker, and pizza delivery boy but he can also outpick migrant farmers to the tune of 3600 tomatoes an hour.
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