Noah's Ark...plausible?

[Blake]

probably

so then do you think Jesus believed the stories in the OT to be true himself?

[Oh, Gee!!]

so then do you think Jesus believed the stories in the OT to be true himself?

the actual historic Jesus probably wouldn't know what the phrase "Old Testament" meant. The OT comes hundreds of years after the historic Jesus was born.

[tlongII]

the actual historic Jesus probably wouldn't know what the phrase "Old Testament" meant. The OT comes hundreds of years after the historic Jesus was born.

Wrong. The Old Testament was completed around 400 years before the birth of Jesus.

[jimo2305]

i'm pretty sure he meant 'before'

[DMC]

the Bible as "the infallible word of God" is one of the many aspects of modern Christianity, and is prevalent in Evangelical circles. Those people will argue against any and all scientific data to make the world fit into their understanding of the Bible and Christianity. Don't let those people speak for all Christians, please.

You seem to be using special pleading. How is your Christianity any different than the Apostles? How do you know of Jesus and the Apostles?

Again you are presenting an all-or-nothing argument. Some parts of the Bible could be factually incorrect and the politics of inclusion or exclusion of certain texts could be flawed, but it wouldn't change the actual point of Christianity: that Christ died for our sins. That is the one thing that is necessary for Christianity.

You would be correct if Christianity was just a "better way of life", but it's not. It's core rests solely on the belief that God exists, that God had a son, and that the son died for the sins of man and was resurrected and ascended to Heaven. You can fall back on the teachings of Jesus and say that's Christianity, but it's not. You cannot believe in the rain and not believe in the water.

I'm not telling you it's true and that you should believe it; I'm simply stating that it's irrelevant whether the story of Noah is false or grossly exaggerated. You turned the improbability of Noah's ark into an attack on Christianity itself, and proclaimed it the death knell basically. It's a stupid argument, and you're a stupid person.

It's all relevant to whether the veracity of the claim of the NT is valid. Jesus never read the New Testament. He came to fulfill the laws, not to do away with them. Those are the old laws of Moses, not the NT principles that the "ya but" Christians of today try to go both ways on.

Either the Bible is true or it's not. If part of it is false, it's not God's word, since God's word (according to the book itself) cannot lie. If it's not the word of God, it's the word of man. The word of man hold no special "truth", especially if you consider how it's been used over the years.

The concept of Jesus also isn't new. It's been done plenty of times before and since. Funny that there's no book of Jesus, just the books of those who claim to have spent time with him.

[DMC]

Jesus practiced Jewish faith...

True or false

Sort of. Jews did not believe in baptism, yet Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. Jesus led a sect. He and his followers knew of the prophecy and, imo, set out to fill it. That's the problem with known prophesies; people try to make them come to fruition. They become instructions, not predictions.

[DMC]

Wrong. The Old Testament was completed around 400 years before the birth of Jesus.

It wasn't called the Old Testament. Why would it be?

It was the Torah.

[Monostradamus]

Wrong. The Old Testament was completed around 400 years before the birth of Jesus.

Yeah but the term Old Testament didn't come till way later. For a 55 year old bachelor you sure are re ed.

[Oh, Gee!!]

It's core [Christianity's] rests solely on the belief that God exists, that God had a son, and that the son died for the sins of man and was resurrected and ascended to Heaven.

And all of those things could be still be true even if the story of Noah's Ark is not. And they all could be true even if the Bible as we know was never published. That's my point: the essence of Christianity is not dependent on the veracity of Old Testament stories. I'm not saying these things (the necessary ingredients to Christianity) are true btw, I'm saying they are independent of old testament dogma

[Vici]

We know nothing of early architecture practices, like how the pyramids were made, so it's possible a ship of that size was made. And the fact that a great flood is in more than one story supports that it happened.

There are so many things wrong with this it's not even worth trying.

[Blake]

the actual historic Jesus probably wouldn't know what the phrase "Old Testament" meant. The OT comes hundreds of years after the historic Jesus was born.

that's not what I asked.

Jesus obviously knew the characters and stories in what we refer today as the Old Testament.

do you think Jesus believed the stories in the OT to be true himself?

[Blake]

That's my point: the essence of Christianity is not dependent on the veracity of Old Testament stories. I'm not saying these things (the necessary ingredients to Christianity) are true btw, I'm saying they are independent of old testament dogma

Not sure where you get this from.

Every Christian teaching Ive ever seen shows Christianity to be dependent on the OT, notably because Jesus himself leaned on it.

A link would be good.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

My dad taught me about these.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

My dad taught me about these.

Have you gotten accepted into the mookie crew yet?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

My dad gave me a lot of good advice growing up, but the thing that sticks out the most is the role model that he was and is

[Oh, Gee!!]

Not sure where you get this from.

Every Christian teaching Ive ever seen shows Christianity to be dependent on the OT, notably because Jesus himself leaned on it.

A link would be good.

you provide the link that states once and for all that Christianity (and eternal salvation for that matter) depends upon the veracity of Old Testament stories. Let me give you a hint: you won't find one. Let me give you another hint: you've been posting out of your ass the entire thread. You obviously know very little about history or religion.

[mouse]

what a difference 11 minutes make. If this isn't bipolar symptom what is?

Posted: 11:11

the book of myths... people spend too much time believing in that foolishness. now i'm not saying religion is total and utter bs and that there isn't a "god" or that to have faith is completely imbecile but come on now, the bible is a total and utter fabrication and a bunch of idiots love the bs.

posted: 11:22

he's my homeboy! i play on his summer league bball team, we chill and smoke, we drink and hang. it is what it is.

[Oh, Gee!!]

that's not what I asked.

Jesus obviously knew the characters and stories in what we refer today as the Old Testament.

do you think Jesus believed the stories in the OT to be true himself?

maybe, but what would that matter? if they were factually true or parable, would that change the ramifications of Christ's sacrifice for us?

[koriwhat]

what a difference 11 minutes make. If this isn't bipolar symptom what is?

Posted: 11:11




posted: 11:22

Making a great case for yourself, online stalker. Why are you so infatuated with me?

[rascal]

The dimensions of the ark are perfect for floating.
Not sure of the exact technical word but there is a measurement for "floatability".

Claim is not that one man built it but he and his 4 sons. Also it took them years to build it.

Noah lived for what 900 years. So it probably took a few hundred years to build.

[rascal]

The Bible is essential to modern Christianity (those who have to take another's word for it). The Bible cannot be edited, altered or corrected to make it "true" as it's the infallible word of the omnimax that is the Christian God. That means that, if a story in the Bible is false, the entirety of the book is false. You cannot put the book on the same grading scale with other books in literature and talk about the knowledge of the times to keep the book "honest" and ignore the fact it's full of falsehoods. Christians see the Bible as the word of an infallible God (though one who has regrets, oddly enough).

So no, you cannot both have the cake before you and have eaten it as well.

The Bible has been edited many times through history and meanings have been lost in translation. One or two words can be altered and end up with an entirely different meaning.

[rascal]

What is impossible for Man is possible for God. God had a hand in the building of the Ark.
It took Noah and his sons hundreds of years to build. Back then Men lived hundreds of years.
Only the main branches of every animal went into the Ark. The animals went into some type of hibernation mode where little food or water was needed.

[Blake]

you provide the link that states once and for all that Christianity (and eternal salvation for that matter) depends upon the veracity of Old Testament stories. Let me give you a hint: you won't find one. Let me give you another hint: you've been posting out of your ass the entire thread. You obviously know very little about history or religion.

Jesus said it.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

I think you are speaking of Christianity out of your ass.

[Blake]

maybe, but what would that matter? if they were factually true or parable, would that change the ramifications of Christ's sacrifice for us?

that's sidestepping my point.

Jesus clearly believed in the prophecy of the OT.

If the stories mentioned are simply parables, then why would anyone also believe the prophecies of the OT?

[koriwhat]

God this, god that... I read a foolish book and go to church, therefor i am knowledgable of great myths created many many centuries ago. Yall talk like yall know whatthe yall speak of... Too funny.