If you have Dirk on your All-Time Top 5 Team...

[Koolaid_Man]

No matter how you slice it, Dirk has had the better career than KG and has a Finals MVP which KG will never get.

you ers in Nawlins drinking all that gotdam Gator water got your minds all ed up and twisted...

[DMC]

and no Kobe is not better than MJ....but he's still writing that book....MJ is done....

Kobe will never be better than MJ. The fact that MJ is done is what kills it for Kobe. If they were both still playing, and the Lakers beat the Bulls for the ring with MJ playing, that would help Kobe's cause. He will never have 6 Finals MVPs, never have the accolades, stats, domination and game that MJ had. He might get another ring, but so what.

[Pelicans78]

You need a good slapping....and I'm the one to do it....

Hey Moron in Nawlins...if KG needed a ing Sam Cassell...lol @ a Sam Cassell then tell me wise guy who in the did Dirk need....

you're an idiot of the highest order....

Is that the best yu can d?

KG couldn't get out of the first round until Sam Cassell got there. Dirk never had that issue. KG won a championship playing next to Pierce. Dirk's go to guy was Jason Terry.

You ain't the one to do . internet tough guy. STOP FOOLIN YOURSELF!

[Koolaid_Man]

Dirk sealed the game in 4th

so Dirk has 1 ring.....you're not allowed to talk smack....requires a minimum of 2 to join the club....now shut the up please...

[Pelicans78]

you ers in Nawlins drinking all that gotdam Gator water got your minds all ed up and twisted...

What does that even mean?

[dirk4mvp]

so Dirk has 1 ring.....you're not allowed to talk smack....requires a minimum of 2 to join the club....now shut the up please...

Luckily Gasol came along before Kobe publicly demanded another trade. Embarrassing.

[Nathan89]

Kobe's not far off from Top 5. Its arguable. But I agree with Kenny that he's not better than Kareem. I can live with Kareem being number two behind Jordan. I never watched Oscar/Russell/Wilt. I can see Kobe being ahead of Magic/Bird because of his scoring and defense, but they were more versatile, especially Magic.

Dirk is more accomplished than Malone, KG, and Barkley. He's better than KG. He's had a better career overall and his offensive game was always better than KG while KG may have been more versatile. Its hard to say Dirk is better than Malone or Barkley. Those two were dominant players, elite players. At worst, Dirk is 3rd at PF. Moses is a center in my opinion.

If Duncan was never drafted by the Spurs, he would have played center his whole career. That's a fact. He would have been a center in Boston, Philly, etc. if they had drafted him. I hate how he's described as a PF just because he played alongside Robinson. This guy would have been a center on most teams.

Rasho,Mohammad, and Elson should have been listed as the Pf.

[DMC]

It's all post hoc bull . When someone wins the le, they are suddenly a force. Before that, they are just a good player. PP wasn't all that before he won the ring. I would say Ray Allen was more important. No one thought anything of Rondo and the bigs.

Jason Terry won the 6th man award. He can give you 30 off the bench. Tyson Chandler made the difference for the Mavs this year. All great teams have to have some heroics to win the ring. Shawn Marion, Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, Dirk, TC, all very good on their own, some are obviously HOFers down the road.

It's not about which team was better. KG impacted the game more than Dirk did, if you factor in both ends of the floor.

[Leetonidas]

C - Shaq
PF - Duncan
SF - Nowitzki
SG - Jordan
PG - Magic

[djohn2oo8]

Kool is gonna be like that kid who finds out on Christmas day that there's no santa claus when Kobe doesn't get a 6th ring

[Blouses]

lol dirk not impacting the game other than scoring

lol dirk one of only FOUR men in the history of the game to average 25 pts and 10 rebs in the postseason

lol basically saying offense is overrated while overrating KG's defense and rebounding

lol KG > Dirk

lol trying to talk yourself out of Dirk's HISTORIC playoff run by continuously sayin stupid like "It's all post hoc bull . When someone wins the le, they are suddenly a force. Before that, they are just a good player. PP wasn't all that before he won the ring. I would say Ray Allen was more important. No one thought anything of Rondo and the bigs."

lol the fact is Dirk was already a top 5 player in the league before the playoffs started and now he has cemented his place at the top of the list today, and also in the top 20 of all-time

[DMC]

lol dirk not impacting the game other than scoring

lol dirk one of only FOUR men in the history of the game to average 25 pts and 10 rebs in the postseason

lol basically saying offense is overrated while overrating KG's defense and rebounding

lol KG > Dirk

lol trying to talk yourself out of Dirk's HISTORIC playoff run by continuously sayin stupid like "It's all post hoc bull . When someone wins the le, they are suddenly a force. Before that, they are just a good player. PP wasn't all that before he won the ring. I would say Ray Allen was more important. No one thought anything of Rondo and the bigs."

lol the fact is Dirk was already a top 5 player in the league before the playoffs started and now he has cemented his place at the top of the list today, and also in the top 20 of all-time

lol so unsure about a point that you have to create a troll account to post it.

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe will never be better than MJ. The fact that MJ is done is what kills it for Kobe. If they were both still playing, and the Lakers beat the Bulls for the ring with MJ playing, that would help Kobe's cause. He will never have 6 Finals MVPs, never have the accolades, stats, domination and game that MJ had. He might get another ring, but so what.

Listen 3 quick things....

1st - MJ played against inferior compe ion compared to Kobe's compe ion on a nightly basis...MJ had 2-3 players at best that challenged him...Kobe has to face offensive players and defenders that MJ didn't have to face...

the compe ion for MJ was easierPERIOD....Magic and Bird were over the hill and old by the time MJ was in his prime...when MJ was in his prime against tough compe ion like the Bad Boy Pistons he simply couldn't win...it wasn't until these teams / players started to age that MJ had his breakthrough...and he virtually went unopposed in the 90's...Ewing don't count and Barkley and Malone usually rolled over for MJ...but I will submit Kobe's compe ion and you submit MJ's...let's prove our points...

Defensive side: Bowen, Sefalosa, Patterson, Barnes, Artest, Battier, Doug Christie, Tony Allen, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Marion, Mashburn etc etc...

Offensive side: Ray Allen, Paul Pierece, Lebron, Melo, Wade, Iverson, Durant, Rose, Kidd, Nash, CP3, Dwill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Manu, Marbury, Westbrook, Joe Johnson, Rondo,


2nd point...is that Kobe had to share his stats and accolades with Shaq...that's the only reason MJ will have better stats the only er he had to share the ball with was Pippen and he shared with Pippen when he wanted....had he played with Shaq there's no doubt he and Shaq would have butted heads like Shaq and Kobe...Kobe would have put up similar numbers had he played alone in his prime...

3rd MJ won MVP's for one simple reason...he was liked by the media and Kobe isn't...MJ didn't live in the digital age per se...Time has proven that Kobe is a better human being than MJ will ever be...Colorado and all...MJ was not a moral person in stretch he benefited from a gullible and generous media at the right time in history....

Remember NBA referees would bring MJ women to bang while he was on the road...I could pad my stats to if the refs did that for me...

so save it DMC...I have legit answers for pretty much everything....

http://www.zimbio.com/Karla+Knafel/a...ends+off+court

[Koolaid_Man]

It's all post hoc bull . When someone wins the le, they are suddenly a force. Before that, they are just a good player. PP wasn't all that before he won the ring. I would say Ray Allen was more important. No one thought anything of Rondo and the bigs.

Jason Terry won the 6th man award. He can give you 30 off the bench. Tyson Chandler made the difference for the Mavs this year. All great teams have to have some heroics to win the ring. Shawn Marion, Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, Dirk, TC, all very good on their own, some are obviously HOFers down the road.

It's not about which team was better. KG impacted the game more than Dirk did, if you factor in both ends of the floor.

stop agreeing with me I can't stand your ass...

[Koolaid_Man]

lol dirk not impacting the game other than scoring

lol dirk one of only FOUR men in the history of the game to average 25 pts and 10 rebs in the postseason

lol basically saying offense is overrated while overrating KG's defense and rebounding

lol KG > Dirk

lol trying to talk yourself out of Dirk's HISTORIC playoff run by continuously sayin stupid like "It's all post hoc bull . When someone wins the le, they are suddenly a force. Before that, they are just a good player. PP wasn't all that before he won the ring. I would say Ray Allen was more important. No one thought anything of Rondo and the bigs."

lol the fact is Dirk was already a top 5 player in the league before the playoffs started and now he has cemented his place at the top of the list today, and also in the top 20 of all-time

must be some good weed in those pancakes you serving...

[Blouses]

lol so unsure about a point that you have to create a troll account to post it.

must be some good weed in those pancakes you serving...

both good retorts, you stupid dirty s

[Nathan89]

Listen 3 quick things....

1st - MJ played against inferior compe ion compared to Kobe's compe ion on a nightly basis...MJ had 2-3 players at best that challenged him...Kobe has to face offensive players and defenders that MJ didn't have to face...

the compe ion for MJ was easierPERIOD....Magic and Bird were over the hill and old by the time MJ was in his prime...when MJ was in his prime against tough compe ion like the Bad Boy Pistons he simply couldn't win...it wasn't until these teams / players started to age that MJ had his breakthrough...and he virtually went unopposed in the 90's...Ewing don't count and Barkley and Malone usually rolled over for MJ...but I will submit Kobe's compe ion and you submit MJ's...let's prove our points...

Defensive side: Bowen, Sefalosa, Patterson, Barnes, Artest, Battier, Doug Christie, Tony Allen, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Marion, Mashburn etc etc...

Offensive side: Ray Allen, Paul Pierece, Lebron, Melo, Wade, Iverson, Durant, Rose, Kidd, Nash, CP3, Dwill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Manu, Marbury, Westbrook, Joe Johnson, Rondo,


2nd point...is that Kobe had to share his stats and accolades with Shaq...that's the only reason MJ will have better stats the only er he had to share the ball with was Pippen and he shared with Pippen when he wanted....had he played with Shaq there's no doubt he and Shaq would have butted heads like Shaq and Kobe...Kobe would have put up similar numbers had he played alone in his prime...

3rd MJ won MVP's for one simple reason...he was liked by the media and Kobe isn't...MJ didn't live in the digital age per se...Time has proven that Kobe is a better human being than MJ will ever be...Colorado and all...MJ was not a moral person in stretch he benefited from a gullible and generous media at the right time in history....

Remember NBA referees would bring MJ women to bang while he was on the road...I could pad my stats to if the refs did that for me...

so save it DMC...I have legit answers for pretty much everything....

http://www.zimbio.com/Karla+Knafel/a...ends+off+court

1st Mj made his compe ion look inferior and Kobe didn't therefore Kobe must have played against better compe ion

2nd Kobe shared his stats with Shaq, that's why Mj will have better stats than him. In other word Kobe had more help than Mj to win championships.

3rd MJ won Mvps because the media liked him and not because he had the best stats and kept winning championships.

[DMC]

Listen 3 quick things....

1st - MJ played against inferior compe ion compared to Kobe's compe ion on a nightly basis...MJ had 2-3 players at best that challenged him...Kobe has to face offensive players and defenders that MJ didn't have to face...

the compe ion for MJ was easierPERIOD....Magic and Bird were over the hill and old by the time MJ was in his prime...when MJ was in his prime against tough compe ion like the Bad Boy Pistons he simply couldn't win...it wasn't until these teams / players started to age that MJ had his breakthrough...and he virtually went unopposed in the 90's...Ewing don't count and Barkley and Malone usually rolled over for MJ...but I will submit Kobe's compe ion and you submit MJ's...let's prove our points...

Defensive side: Bowen, Sefalosa, Patterson, Barnes, Artest, Battier, Doug Christie, Tony Allen, James Posey, Tayshaun Prince, Marion, Mashburn etc etc...

Offensive side: Ray Allen, Paul Pierece, Lebron, Melo, Wade, Iverson, Durant, Rose, Kidd, Nash, CP3, Dwill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Manu, Marbury, Westbrook, Joe Johnson, Rondo,


2nd point...is that Kobe had to share his stats and accolades with Shaq...that's the only reason MJ will have better stats the only er he had to share the ball with was Pippen and he shared with Pippen when he wanted....had he played with Shaq there's no doubt he and Shaq would have butted heads like Shaq and Kobe...Kobe would have put up similar numbers had he played alone in his prime...

3rd MJ won MVP's for one simple reason...he was liked by the media and Kobe isn't...MJ didn't live in the digital age per se...Time has proven that Kobe is a better human being than MJ will ever be...Colorado and all...MJ was not a moral person in stretch he benefited from a gullible and generous media at the right time in history....

Remember NBA referees would bring MJ women to bang while he was on the road...I could pad my stats to if the refs did that for me...

so save it DMC...I have legit answers for pretty much everything....

http://www.zimbio.com/Karla+Knafel/a...ends+off+court

The quicker response is that history will never record Kobe as being greater than MJ. Shaq and Pau pretty much kill any of that right out of the gate, two franchise players that have 5 rings between them in LA, the same rings Kobe has, and Shaq has the MVP in 3 of those. That's "most valuable player" fyi.

So woulda coulda shoulda... I am talking about "is". Kobe "is" no MJ and will never be.

[Koolaid_Man]

The quicker response is that history will never record Kobe as being greater than MJ. Shaq and Pau pretty much kill any of that right out of the gate, two franchise players that have 5 rings between them in LA, the same rings Kobe has, and Shaq has the MVP in 3 of those. That's "most valuable player" fyi.

So woulda coulda shoulda... I am talking about "is". Kobe "is" no MJ and will never be.

If Shaq does that for Kobe then what does Pippen do for MJ...remember dip ...

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 les
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year




Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month



Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:


.492 win %
0 les
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

[Koolaid_Man]

Once Kobe gets 7 we ( as in Laker fans) will rewrite history...if he finishes with 6 then the debate will rage on if he stays at 5 then you win the argument....

[DMC]

If Shaq does that for Kobe then what does Pippen do for MJ...remember dip ...

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 les
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year




Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month



Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:


.492 win %
0 les
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Meaningless numbers.

Pippen Finals MVP 0

[DMC]

Once Kobe gets 7 we ( as in Laker fans) will rewrite history...if he finishes with 6 then the debate will rage on if he stays at 5 then you win the argument....

You've been revising history for quite some time, but MJ will always be better than Kobe.

It's not my argument to win or lose. The facts are right there for your viewing pleasure. You can revise and "what if" all you like. It doesn't change anything.

Horry has 7, we aren't making that comparison so your ring thing is bling bling.

[Koolaid_Man]

You've been revising history for quite some time, but MJ will always be better than Kobe.

It's not my argument to win or lose. The facts are right there for your viewing pleasure. You can revise and "what if" all you like. It doesn't change anything.

Horry has 7, we aren't making that comparison so your ring thing is bling bling.

Horry never made over 10 mill a season so please I give you permission to argue but as long as you keep it in context...

But I'm sure if I said Kareem was the best player ever because he also has 6 rings and scored the most points in NBA history...you'd agree with me...

No matter what we debate a Laker is factually the best ever....

[Nathan89]

If Shaq does that for Kobe then what does Pippen do for MJ...remember dip ...

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 les
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year




Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month



Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:


.492 win %
0 les
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

You already said Kobe had more help than Jordan.

Kobe had to share his stats and accolades with Shaq...that's the only reason MJ will have better stats the only er he had to share the ball with was Pippen and he shared with Pippen when he wanted....had he played with Shaq there's no doubt he and Shaq would have butted heads like Shaq and Kobe...Kobe would have put up similar numbers had he played alone in his prime...

I didn't read past the first line the first time but now that I did that implies that Jordan won his championships alone.

[DMC]

Horry never made over 10 mill a season so please I give you permission to argue but as long as you keep it in context...

MJ didn't either except for 2 years in his entire career. Moving the goalposts are we? I thought it was about rings. If it's just about salaries, Kobe has him beat already, but so does Joe Johnson.

But I'm sure if I said Kareem was the best player ever because he also has 6 rings and scored the most points in NBA history...you'd agree with me...

Kareem > Kobe

No matter what we debate a Laker is factually the best ever....

MJ is the best ever in anyone but Lakers' list.

Russell has the most rings, not a Laker.