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    They would need to either give up more than Casspi or take RJ's contract from us. Casspi, Thompson, 7th pick. for TP, RJ.
    They would have to throw in Garcia or Udrih as well.

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    I dont think it'd be just a draft pick, I doubt those teams have the cap space to absorb TP's contract like that. There would have to be other players included...I would take Casspi, Thompson, and their pick tbh. Would prefer Bynum though.

    George Hill strikes me as 15MPG type of guy on a contending team, not the 30MPGish he plays with the Spurs.
    Thats ridiculous.

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    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...48484/30085688

    Sacramento Kings forward Jason Thompson suffered a fracture in his right big toe.

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    I thought the same thing.

    If the Spurs ARE fielding offers for Parker, they'd better get back their pick and a player in exchange for him. If Parker is indeed the trade bait and if Sacto is the trading partner, they'd better get back both their pick and a player like Omri Casspi. Imagine it. In such a scenario, the Spurs come away with Casspi and the #7 pick in the draft.

    I would give anything to know which player they would be hot after, if they did this deal. I don't necessarily condone getting rid of Parker, I'd rather they trade Hill instead, but Parker obviously would net the best trade value.

    Either way, a trade of this type would help stop some of the bleeding and plug some of the lineup cracks that have been exposed.

    I like DesignatedT's idea getting rid of RJ along with the trade for casspi, tompson, Garcia and the 7th pick.

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    Can still be traded though correct? I would think so.

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    This is a lot to take in and again, considering the source, it's likely legit. We have heard some things before, but nothing every really materialized and it's not likely anything was remotely close.

    But you can bet if Tree of Woj is reporting it, he checked his facts within the Spurs organization.

    I can't really see anything that will work with Raps/Sac. I don't think TP is some superstar on the level of a franchise guy, but elite PG's are still very valuable in this league. Especially ones that are still somewhat young, have experience and good contracts.

    I also don't expect something massive for TP in the market, but I'd expect RJ to be gone and to get a pick in the lotto and to get at least 1 young somewhat talented guy that's already shown something.

    The fact it's just laid out as a lotto pick for essentially TP at the moment makes me sick.

    Also, at the Spurs always doing the exact opposite of the opposite of the opposite of what everyone thinks. Coming off a surprising season, into a ty draft overall after saying we will build through trade and not the draft say "hey, lets move TP and get higher into the draft!"

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    Its not a serious injury. Hes expected to be out a month and theres like 4+ months before next season starts. The size that a TD, Splitter, Thompson rotation would provide would be nice.

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    I really like Jason Thompson. (Not saying I like the deal.)

    He'd start at the PF next year if that deal happened( RJ/TP for Thompson, Casspi, and 7th). Hopefully, Spurs demand a future 1st as well if that deal is proposed and considered.
    Why do you like Thompson? I think he's ok, but I don't see him as anything special.

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    Spurs receive:
    Jason Thompson
    Omri Casspi
    Francisco Garcia
    7th Overall Pick

    Kings Receive:
    Tony Parker
    Richard Jefferson
    29th Overall Pick

    Now something along these lines I would agree to but not Tony for the 7. That makes no sense.
    Trade certainly works since Kings have the cap room but I'm not so sure if they would give up three young guys. Plus, Thompson leaving would deplete their frontline.

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    The source concerns me. We have all heard rumors and such, but with RC's comments on making trades, the timing of the comments and who reported it, there has to be at least something real to it.

    PG's like TP are extremely valuable. I am going to be furious if they trade TP. The only way I would be even remotely "not pissed" (because I won't like any trade where it involves the big 3) is if they unload RJ with him, get into the lottery and get young talent back for him.
    Why does anyone give a about salary-dumping Jefferson? The Spurs never land young talent in free agency, so the cap space will be worthless.

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    Unless the front office is extremely high on Valaciunas AND they can pry Ed Davis loose, this trade looks to be a complete ing loser.

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    Why does anyone give a about salary-dumping Jefferson? The Spurs never land young talent in free agency, so the cap space will be worthless.
    I will take any talent over RJ at this point.

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    Trade certainly works since Kings have the cap room but I'm not so sure if they would give up three young guys. Plus, Thompson leaving would deplete their frontline.
    Oh , Tony Parker for Jason Thompson? That would be 10X worse than giving Jefferson and Bonner the big contracts last summer.

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    I will take any talent over RJ at this point.
    Would you throw talent away just to salary dump him? No way I would.

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    Why does anyone give a about salary-dumping Jefferson? The Spurs never land young talent in free agency, so the cap space will be worthless.
    Really? Because I don't want to see that complete soft mental midget on the court anymore. Because having cap space and the opportunity to make moves is better than not having it.

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    Why do you like Thompson? I think he's ok, but I don't see him as anything special.
    Towards the end of the year, I happened to watch the Kings quite often and he really impressed me with his solid play more so than Cousins. He finished around the basket very strong (and efficiently)and his pick and pop game was money as well. He seemed to be really hitting his "break-out" stride, which was obvious with the amount of confidence he was playing with in the month of April.

    I'm not saying he's going to be an All-Star or anything like that, but he's a very solid player. A definite improvement over Blair/Bonner without question.

    Is he worth trading TP straight up? no obviously.

    But it would be decent and somewhat acceptable, if Spurs can get rid of RJ and at the same time acquire the #7, Garcia (who is one of Tim's guys), Thompson and Casspi.

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    Would you throw talent away just to salary dump him? No way I would.
    No, but if they are bent on trading TP for something, RJ has to go. Doesn't mean they should do it to get rid of RJ, but they shouldn't do it without dumping him.

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    I'm a fan of Tony and his play in 2007.

    But since then, where has THAT Tony been come playoff time? It's like Spursfans are still stuck in 2007 and put Tony on this superstar pedal-stool for playing out of his mind for four games against Daniel Gibson.

    Don't get me wrong, Tony is a great player. I just don't see him as untouchable as many of posters here do. Nor do I expect the Spurs to get a superstar in return in a trade for Tony.

    Spurs would be wise to move Tony, but for the right deal.
    Agreed, but what are the odds this is the right deal? By it's very nature, it's impossible to tell.

    We know what Tony Parker is...maybe not quite a superstar, but certainly all-star capabilities when he's in his right mind. I'll agree that Parker may not be playing at the level he was Finals 2007 (which still cannot be taken away from him), or when Manu was out, but he's still a top-tier point guard....something George Hill is not. I don't entirely believe that he'd be ready to just step into a starting PG role, so that immediately gives you a hole to fill.

    Trading that for a draft pick is a shot in the dark. Even if the Spurs really think they've scouted a gem and get the pick, there is nothing that guarantees that player will still be available to them. Or that the player will plan out. Or decide not to walk after his rookie contract.

    Is Parker our point guard of the future? Maybe, maybe not. But if you're going to trade him, don't do it just to roll the dice.

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    I like DesignatedT's idea getting rid of RJ along with the trade for casspi, tompson, Garcia and the 7th pick.
    , I like that one myself.

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    PG's like TP are extremely valuable. I am going to be furious if they trade TP. The only way I would be even remotely "not pissed" (because I won't like any trade where it involves the big 3) is if they unload RJ with him, get into the lottery and get young talent back for him.

    Would prefer to keep him but wouldn't mind trading him for the right pieces and if it somehow allows us to unload RJ as well.


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    I'd pull this:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3skv2lo

    Leaves us with:

    Calderon/Hill
    Manu/Anderson
    #5 Pick/Kleza
    Duncan/Blair
    Andrea/Splitter

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    If the Spurs were to trade Parker, George Hill(notes) could become their starting point guard. League sources said Hill also has drawn trade interest from teams willing to give the Spurs a pick near the back end of the lottery.
    Problem with this is I don't see a team at the back end of the lotto in need of a PG. Houston has Lowry/Dragic, Utah has Devin Harris, Warriors have Curry/Ellis. Possibly Phoenix is interested. I would deal Hill for the Suns #13 if Singleton or Thompson are still on the board.

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    I'd pull this:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3skv2lo

    Leaves us with:

    Calderon/Hill
    Manu/Anderson
    #5 Pick/Kleza
    Duncan/Blair
    Andrea/Splitter
    I don't think Toronto will move Bargnani and . . . no.

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    Really? Because I don't want to see that complete soft mental midget on the court anymore. Because having cap space and the opportunity to make moves is better than not having it.
    So they can sign another Rasho Nesterovic? San Antonio the city sucks in the eyes of NBA players: no big endorsement opportunities, no good clubs, no beach, no ESPN kissing your ass all day. The draft is how the Spurs need to build, but not this one. If they really have a hard on for Valaciunas, think he's a future allstar, he slips to them. and they get Ed Davis then maybe it's a worthy gamble, but not to take Sacramento's C+ level talent and salary dump Jefferson.

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    If the options on the table are Parker for #5 or Hill for say #12-15, then no doubt in my mind TRADE HILL!

    Not that Parker played well in the playoffs, he played like trash for half the series. So did Hill. But this is about [I]value/I]. Hill being moved to grab someone like Chris Singleton would be a godsend. I posted weeks ago about how I would love them to move Hill for Singleton and then reach for Mack at the end of the first to be a decent career back-up point guard.

    Utah at 12 might like Hill, as well as Indiana at 15 for hometown reasons. Utah especially could want him not just for point, but also at the two as they were stuck playing Raja Bell's corpse last season. AK will be gone, slide Heyward to 3, and play Hill at two. Maybe if Utah goes big at 3 and gets robbed of Jimmer, they'd be open to it.

    And another reason I wouldn't be high on a move with say Toronto is they don't have much to give back for Parker. They won't move DeRozan, he's the face of their franchise now. They even featured him at Casey's press conference if I understood the written reports correctly. And I don't imagine them wanting to part with Davis either as they would no longer have a pick to replace him with (Biyombo, Kanter, rando Lithuanian). Spurs would be stuck getting back Bayless or Amir Johnson or other unappealing pieces.

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