You can say "shallow draft" or whatever but all it takes is one player. High picks are absolutely essential. The bottom line is the Spurs need a new best player. Who is this team built around right now? If it's Tim Duncan, it's not good enough anymore. If it's Ginobili, it's not good enough anymore. If it's Parker, it's not good enough. I don't see a team winning a le with any of those guys as the best player on the team.
I don't think you are going to find a player for player trade involving Parker that is going to make the Spurs a championship contender. The key is the draft picks.
Is there a player in this draft that could become the Spurs best player? If there is I don't see him, but if Pop and RC do that's all that matters.
Sure, if you trade Parker you have to get talent in return that's going to help you sustain a compe ive team over time. But the big prize is the lottery tickets. That's why I hope if a trade does materialize, it includes an unprotected 2012 pick from a potential lottery team. The more high picks the better chance to draft a great player, even by accident.
After they make the picks, then we can really judge a potential trade, and then hold Pop and RC accountable for the results.
i dont discount wojo's sources, he is the best in the business, but this seems like its coming from sacramento. its been reported today sac would entertain trading their pick for felton and the 22. seems they want a vet pg and have the cap room to absorb the salary. for the spurs it makes sense if a big they like drops. ducan needs lots of help. the spurs are done contending but at least let ducan go with grace, not being destroyed by centers.
You should just stop now.
ESPN is a little late.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=6689841
However, they say something different from Yahoo.
"A Parker trade would shift George Hill into the starting roll, but sources also told Yahoo that there are teams at the end of the first round interested in Hill."
Yahoo reported late lottery pick. Spurs would be dumb to trade Hill for a late first rounder.
It is not necessary for improvement. It may just for getting rid of RJ contract.
There is a new CBA coming and the economy is under recession and the SPURS playoff records are declining. As long as SPURS have TD and Manu to sale ticket, why do the owners need to pay lux tax for 1st round exit or even not making playoff?
True, but for games when Manu and Tim or even both of them are out, there is NO ONE else on this team that could carry them on offense outside of Tony Parker....
In theory, what you're saying isn't a bad idea. But it's the quality of the draft, or lack thereof, that makes this foolish. None of the players projected to be in the 5-7 range are good enough prospects or fits with the current roster for this to make sense. Valanciunas is similar to Biedrins, Vesley is similar to Kirilenko, Walker is similar to Flynn and Leonard is similar to Wallace. If one of them becomes the Spurs next best player, they'll have either overachieved to a historical extent or the Spurs will be the worst team in the league.
The Truth#6, I somewhat agree with "not enough guts". They'd have a hard time selling to Duncan and Ginobili that they're still trying to contend if they trade Parker for a 5th or 7th pick in a weak draft. And I've heard more than a few times over the years that Duncan is more in the loop on the going's on than how it may seem.
Duncan essentially gave them $10 million over 2 years on his last extension and how have they re-paid him? By pairing him with a big older than him and two undersized specialists. They at least tried to vault themselves back into contention with the Jefferson trade. This would be the opposite of that and it would be the ultimate slap in the face.
At this stage (2011/2012), the team is shaky whenever any big 3 player is out. It's not a huge deal if it's only one of them at a time for only a few games at a stretch during the regular season. If 2 are out, none of the big 3 can individually carry the team offensively, especially considering the defense is inevitably much weaker with any combination of the 2 being out.
Also, if you trade Hill for a lotto pick then the Spurs should hold off on the trade and do it draft night. Wait and see if the guy they want is there and then trade Hill, if not there is no point it trading him if the guys that want are already picked.
Can you do that? How late can you make it when trading for a lotto pick?
It used to be that when like this was printed as news, that like this would NEVER happen.
Do I want to see the Big 3 broken up? No, but I do want to see the SPURS win again. I'm for GHill going if they can get a late lotto pick, even in a weak draft like this, all it will take is 1 player that fits perfectly, to make a team that doesn't like it has enough tools, into a team that wins the le. ALA Tyson Chandler and the used to be under-achieving Mavericks. Those pieces around Dallas didn't change all that much. They just got that piece that focused on defense and rebounds and easy putbacks. Those things that we got in a limited fashion from Dice, we need more from in a youthful center.
An Athletic Big who can focus on rebounding and toughness but with range to cover the lane...that's what this team needs. And looking at most mocks...it would seem that the teams with better drafting position are drafting best player available...From my standpoint, I think a player like Bismack Boyombo, think shorter version of his Congo countryman, Serge Ibaka. If Hill can get us to that place...then bye George Hill.
I read Peter Holt was worth about 80 million too. How does that work though? Don't the Spurs have a pretty big ownership group? For example does that even mean Holt is the richest owner just because he is the majority? Is it possible that other people in the ownership group have more money?
We can say one guy is similar to another but we can't write a guy's career before he ever plays a game. Amare Stoudemire was the 9th pick in a weak draft. Brandon Roy was the 6th pick in a weak draft. Maybe Pop/RC see something in Valanciunas, Vesely, Biyambo that we don't. Not saying they would be right, that would remain to be seen of course. But if they feel one of those guys has the chance to be a really great player (and you get other pieces and/or '12 pick) then go ahead and pull the trigger. Exhaust all avenues to acquiring a great player. Tony Parker + filler = X great player does not compute. Any trade must involve high pick(s)
True, but you have to admit that TP is a big part of the scoring load, and for also creating open shots for his teammates with all the driving he does in the paint. I think without him we would suffer big time....
George Hill turned out to be a Top 10-15 player in the 08' class, a draft that was pretty deep. And if NBA teams knew what we know about him today he would likely be a Top 5-10 pick in this years shallow draft...so why in the world are some of you s suggesting he be moved for a late lottery pick? That is just beyond idiotic.
I like Biyombo as a high-risk high-reward guy if it doesn't cost the Spurs too much to get him (for example, Hill), but I disagree with the Ibaka comparisons since Serge could hit a jumpshot when he was drafted. I'd be really shocked if Biyombo could make an immediate difference.
If someone slips that they like I wouldn't cry over trading Hill for a pick in the teens.
Hill is nothing special and supposedly the team loves James Anderson anyways (at least according to Chad Ford). Hill, Anderson, and Neal give this team three backup shooting guards. How many do you really need?
If we could snag Kemba Walker+ for Tony I would be a happy boy.
Oh boy...
While I agree with you that Biyombo's offense is raw, even moreso than Serge, I also think that his offense isn't what's needed. I get that Dice had a good jumpshot, but throughout his career with the Spurs he averaged a little over 5 shots a game. If the Spurs interior provokes fear with Biyombo as opposed to inspires confidence with B & B, then it's already a difference maker.
No, but you can project (which is what the draft is all about). And none of those players projects as a star. It was known at the time that Stoudemire had star potential. Roy was considered a potential All-Star, but had questions about his knees.
There's no chance of them getting an unprotected '12 lottery pick for Parker, especially not in addition to an '11 lottery pick. The '12 draft is shaping up to be significantly better than the '11 draft and look what just happened to the Clippers. Granted, had the Clippers kept their pick, the league wouldn't have given them the #1 pick, but still.
As far as "other pieces", I think one of A. Johnson or Bayless or Casspi or Udrih would be it. I can't see the Raptors offering Davis or the Kings offering Thompson and I can't see the Spurs taking on the salaries of either A. Johnson or Udrih.
Hill is getting groomed as a PG by the Spurs, regardless of Spurstalk's consensus that "he's a SG". The sooner yall s accept that the sooner yall will realize that trading Parker makes alot more sense than trading Hill, especially for a late lottery pick. If the FO believes the Big 3 can no longer win les they can either:
1. Rebuild. Duncan & Gino seem to be locks to retire as Spurs, so that leaves Parker as the lone big contract with value (noone wants RJ).
or
2.Make a move. And considering the fact that Parker's value is alot higher than Hill's...that would be the only move that could possibly improve this team significantly. Hill isnt enough to net us someone that might put us over the top.
If you deal either of them you deal Parker, its the best move. Otherwise stay pat. Hill shouldnt go anywhere imo.
A guy who shoots 43% against NCAA defenses is going to become more efficient when he's got Dwight Howard or Tyson Chandler switching onto him off the pick and roll? God, I wouldn't even want to draft Walker top 10 in this draft, much less give up an allstar for him.
This is one of the worst drafts in years. There's no trade package in this draft worth giving up TP for. And you don't trade Hill for some late lottery pick. It's that weak of a draft. They should keep Parker for now and trade Hill for a SF like Paul George or a big like Taj Gibson.
Biyombo will probably be really foul-prone too for a year or two, as are all young athletic defensive bigs. I wouldn't count on much from him early-on, but even considering that I think Hill is redundant enough to make it worth the gamble if they can make the move.
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