The fact that you don't have any clue about Casspi or his credentials. And yet you want to dump Tony Parker. Take off that pipe and go to sleep.
Show me any number that would back up the claim that Casspi is a better NBA player than Richard Jefferson.LMAO
You're takes continue to get worse each week. Next you'll be telling us Matt Bonner is better than Dirk Nowitszki.
I suspect I'll be waiting for a very long time.
that, this team is in the tank after Tim is gone. For a long ass time.
Casspi is already equal to or > than Jefferson in only his 2nd year. He's a hustle player who rebounds & actually plays defense. And probably most importantly can take and hit BIG shots. When's the last time we saw Jefferson step up and hit a big shot? I can't even recall one outside of that uncontested free throw line jumper he hit against the thunder.
So wait... he's already equal to him or better, because you say so...
As I said, would you like to show me a number, ANY number, that would say he is a better NBA player than Richard Jefferson? Of course, you'll never be able to, because those numbers do not exist.
I mean, he's on a terrible team and he still can't put up numbers... in meaningless games, no less.
Casspi already outrebounds Jefferson by a good margin. Which would be a welcome addition to the starting lineup.So wait... he's already equal to him or better, because you say so...
As I said, would you like to show me a number, ANY number, that would say he is a better NBA player than Richard Jefferson? Of course, you'll never be able to, because those numbers do not exist.
I mean, he's on a terrible team and he still can't put up numbers... in meaningless games, no less.
Casspi reminds me of Peja Stojakovic.. same height, skillset. Great shooting touch. If you look at Peja's 2nd year numbers they almost mirror Casspi's EXACTLY. In his 3rd season with starter minutes Peja's numbers jumped to 20ppg/6rpg. With the spurs, I could see Casspi quickly becoming a 20/7 type player with the right minutes.
If the option is trading Parker for the 5th or 7th pick or trading Hill for the 10th through 14 I think you have to trade Hill. Parker is worth a of a lot more than 5 or 6 spots over Hill. Especially if you can pick up someone like Chris Singleton and get the lock down SF everyone has been clamoring for since Bruce left...especially with our glut of 2's.
Unless I missed something the option being discussed is 7th pick + Casspi for Parker.
Only mention of Hill were rumors of some teams offering a late 1st round pick.
This is the point IMO. There is no other shot at a le. It's over.
With the big 3 we could still have a couple of exciting seasons (like this one) but nothing more.
No lottery pick since 1997 is a very long time. I have nothing against being creative with late first round picks and cheap veteran contract but its not likely to be enough to win a le. And we don't have the assets or money to bring a big fish here.
Maybe it's time to save money, stack young talent, go into the lottery... and hope we will draft the next Duncan/Robinson soon.
I don't like that and would prefer we go with the big 3 until Duncan retires before we try to rebuild. But that is not my money on the table.
Re-read the very first post of the thread.
Did Duncan tell the Spurs FO he's retiring this summer? Because trading Parker for Casspi and 7th pick is going rebuild mode. There has to be more to this deal.
It's more like rebuilding on the fly, but the spurs will still have a formidable team, perhaps even better if Hill can man the PG position and a competent backup is found either through the draft or free agency.
Making moves like this is truly the best avenue to go IMO in order to start laying the groundwork for the future yet still be compe ive in the final few years of Manu & TD's careers.
OP article just mentions the spurs want to secure a high draft pick "in a trade" with a few lottery teams.
Which given TP's salary of 14m+ means they would be getting back a player along with the pick (or even 2 players).
I'm no salary cap guru but trading a 14m salary for a pick by itself isn't going to happen most likely.
The Pop Troll has something to say to thattbh, what's really gonna suck is when the Spurs don't do on Thursday and everybody in here will be
If the spurs get a 5-6m trade exception from the Casspi + 7th pick they can use that to sign a big (Dalambert for instance).
Barring that, they'll still have the mid level exception to use as well. I just pray that Pop has finally had enough of Boner & Blair but that's probably just wishful thinking...
I was pointing out the source of the "Hill for a lottery pick" talk.
"League sources said Hill also has drawn trade interest from teams willing to give the Spurs a pick near the back end of the lottery."
If you trade Parker for a package centered around a draft pick, it's a rebuilding move. And if Spurs start a rebuilding process, you had to do it all the way. A successful rebuilding process almost ever go through years of high lottery picks and a lot of cap space.
A Parker for pick trade should be followed by Duncan retiring and Ginobili traded for assets. Cap space should be created by trading Bonner and using a possible future amnesty rule on RJ. Finally, Pop should be replaced by a young coach. If Spurs don't do that, trading Parker for pick would be a bad move.
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This is starting to sound more probable. I imagine it will be a draft day trade if the Spurs targeted player is still on the board when the Kings pick.A few weeks ago Spurs point guard Tony Parker told the French media that he didn't think the team could contend for a le with the current team.
ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher wrote during one of his chats: "I'd say he's the most likely to be moved. It isn't just his comments the other day. Parker has gone off the reservation a bit in how the Spurs like their players to conduct themselves. A trust has been broken and that's very big in the San Antonio culture."
Parker later returned to San Antonio and said his comments were taken the wrong way and that he wouldn't have re-signed with them if he didn't think they could still contend for a le.
As it turns out, Bucher was right. Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports the Spurs want to move into the top 10 of the 2011 draft and have offered Parker to Toronto (No. 5) and Sacramento (No. 7).
According to Wojnarowski, the Kings coaches would prefer a veteran, like Parker, over the draft pick and that if a trade is made forward Omri Casspi would probably be part of the package for Parker.
Parker has three years remaining on his contract and each season he'll make $12.5 million, although the last one is only partially guaranteed for a small amount.
George Hill would become the Spurs starting point guard if Parker is traded.
No. Trading Parker does not mean the spurs must start rebuilding "all the way" and just totally blow up the team.
Duncan I can gaurantee you is not set to retire just yet and Manu still has another year or two of high level basketball in him.
And a guy like Casspi could be a key piece of a contending team. Next years spurs could become this year's mavs with a few carefully executed moves. The window is not fully shut yet. Look at what the aging mavs accomplished this year with Kidd @ 38, Dirk @ 32 (going on 38), Marion @ 33 & Terry @ 34 They even did it short one of their key "younger" players (Butler) making their run all the more impressive.
The spurs won 60+ games and if Duncan would have had some interior help like Dirk got from Chandler things could have easily been a different outcome.
If there's even only just a 2% chance to still contend and win a le you go for it IMO. Rebuild on the fly until that chance < 0 then you start blowing things apart.
we all agree, that the spurs are not contending for a le as of right now...and I dont see us making a trade, that will get us there right now. not with miami and others in the east and okc in the west beeing the hurdles.
so the logical step is to rebuild and with the right choices we have the perfect construct to do just that.
there allready is some nice talent in neal, hill, blair and splitter and who is better to menthor them than Tim (insideplayers) and Manu (outsideplayers)? make them the captains to lead by example, take a step back when they need to and take over in crunchtime if needed!
if we coult do so, it should be easy to get young talents to join...e.g. a situation like with rubio probably wouldn't occur, just coz its such a perfect enviroment to go to in SA.
in order to bet there, a Parker (+RJ...and even Bonner) trade for some young talent would be the only step we have to take! do it! I dont care about not getting out of the first round or not even making the playoffs, as long as we have a construct and wont pedal in and out beeing left in the middle of nothing.
Another effect of this rumor is that it raises Hill trade value. Spurs being ready to trade their 3 times all star, 3 times NBA champion, NBA final MVP and starter for 10 years to make Hill a starter is a huge trade value boost for Hill.
I won't go as far as saying that Spurs have made up trade rumors around Parker to raise Hill's trade value but Spurs could receive for Hill better offers they have received in the past.
Meh. Not everybody "agrees".
Excuse my optimism but I find it hard to believe a team that won 60+ games and finished atop the western conference cannot possibly be tweaked or upgraded to contend for a le the next season.
A fact that scares me is that the offense right now is built around Tony Parker. He drives the ball and either takes it to the rim or kicks it out. What's going to happen to the Spurs' offense if he gets traded? George Hill can't even run the pick and roll efficiently so trading TP right now has me worried. But I also don't want the Spurs to remain a somewhat above average team and just watch the wheels fall off with no course of action for the future until it's too late.
So how did the spurs manage to win ballgames the past couple years with Hill as the starting PG every time TP was out with his various foot & ankle problems?
At around a .770 clip IIRC last time I did the research. Obviously he must be doing something right.
So what's the actual status of this team, are they or are they not a few pieces away from contending again? If the Spurs somehow get the pieces to be an actual contending team and are looking for deep playoff runs, is Manu starting at the point be wise?
If the Spurs aren't a contending team, I can live with Manu running the point.
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