he didnt even have kerrs number??
according to D-Fish...Kobe swung back he didn't cry at all....All I reiterated is that it was a moment Kobe wouldn't forget...He took the city and team fro Shaq and crushed Shaq's LA legacy to a large degree. In other words dip DMC....wait wait...I like the sound of that..
Dip DMC...in other words he provided the fuel Kobe needed to on his legacy of being the best Laker ever
Jordan > Shaq > Kobe
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Kukoc has definitely improved in the trash-talking department.
"I told Michael, 'When I first got the ball from you after so long, I thought somebody was throwing stuff from the crowd, so I threw the ball back in the crowd and they said, no, no, we play with that,'" he said.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobulls...ent-in-chicago
Old news. Jordan was known to be gigantic jackass.
Him, along with Pippen, destroyed Dennis Hopson's confidence for no apparent reason (see Hopson's production on the Bulls vs. when he was on other teams). Both of them tried had a public spat with Krause, and took it out on Kukoc. He killed Kwame Brown's confidence. He befriended Oakley to get a personal body guard (apparently the relationship is still going strong, Also, this was one reason Jordan hated on Cartwright).
More background around Kerr. Kerr punched back, and "earned" the respect of Jordan (ie. Jordan was a bully, and don't have the guts to challenge the ones who would fight back).
Jordan was also a gambler and womanizer.
That being said, Jordan never ratted out on his teammates, quit on them, or was, at any point, a 2nd banana on his own team.
Jordan ed multiple pornstars a night. Kobe couldn't even finish inside a hotel maid.
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the point is MJ was more than a Jackass as you so lightly put it
NBA refs helped him cheat on his wife..I posted links to those stories numerous times...this is more than cheating and worse than what Kobe did because it calls into question the integrity of the game and some of his les...if the refs would bring you chics to bang what in the do you think would prevent them from cheating for you in your le quest.
and last but not least if you think his gambling addictions didn't result in what happned to his dad and his retiring 2 times from the leauge then I have prime real estate I want to sell you Afghanistan....
Now marinate on that for a min...
incorrect, because Cartwright wasnt on the team the same time Steve Kerr was on the team.
get your facts straight
no sherlock.....all in all...MJ got shut down by Carthwright..we know for a fact MJ didn't say else to Cartwright because he's still walking...but fact is he punched Kerr in his own words..."Right in the eye"
The point is there's a big difference in Cartwright and Kerr....MJ did this over a practice game....bad guy right thurrr...
6 championship. GOAT.
nothing any Kobe sucker can do about it. Excep and cry
6 championship. GOAT.
nothing any Kobe sucker can do about it. Excep and cry
not true Kareem has 6 les and thousands of more points...so he's the GOAT...a Laker is the GOAT...MJ is only the post popular
and thanks for posting....that pic of MJ facing X-Man in your sig is the exact game where Anthony Mason straight-up punked MJ...He came over and shoved MJ and called him a punk and MJ immediately turned around jumped in X-Man's face because he didn't want no parts of Mason....once I find the vid you will be forced to change that history revisionists sig of yours....
Jordan's teams were less stackednot true Kareem has 6 les and thousands of more points...so he's the GOAT...a Laker is the GOAT...MJ is only the post popular
Plus, Magic Johnson extended Kareem's career, let'S face it, the guy has 6 les over a 20 year career
Jordan has won as many championships in less time
And he has 2 three-peats
And he never lost in the FInals
Kareem never 3-peated
And he lost some Finals series
So, MJ clearly s on both KAJ and Kobe
Jordan's teams were less stacked
Plus, Magic Johnson extended Kareem's career, let'S face it, the guy has 6 les over a 20 year career
Jordan has won as many championships in less time
And he has 2 three-peats
And he never lost in the FInals
Kareem never 3-peated
And he lost some Finals series
So, MJ clearly s on both KAJ and Kobe
MJ won in a watered down 90's...when it counted the most he couldn't get it done in the 80's...he waited until all the prime compe ion was either too old or retired altogether....MJ couldn't beat anyone in his prime...and that's a fact....
and please stop with the sensationalism...between Kobe and Kareem we talking 11 les and over 60k points.....but keep pimping the Bulls - Spur boy...
So what is your point? That MJ was a bag to his teammates? No .no sherlock.....all in all...MJ got shut down by Carthwright..we know for a fact MJ didn't say else to Cartwright because he's still walking...but fact is he punched Kerr in his own words..."Right in the eye"
The point is there's a big difference in Cartwright and Kerr....MJ did this over a practice game....bad guy right thurrr...
Something you also forget is that most all of his teammates give all the credit in the world to him, because while he was a jerk, his style made them better basketball players, helped them become champions. They all knew that he wasnt being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk, as opposed to his never-ending desire to be the best, wanting everyone to step their game up, including himself. He was as hard of a worker as anyone the NBA has ever seen. So obviously being the best player in the world, and being the hardest worker on the team, none of his teammates could have any room to talk back to him. Dude backed himself up. His style was a way of weeding out the mentally weak from the mentally strong. Guys like Hodges and Stacey King struggled because they were mentally weak, and had no business getting serious burn for the team. On the other hand, guys like Pippen, Grant, and Paxson all stepped their game up, and became huge contributors, especially in the clutch.
The end result? He led his teams to 6 championships. Can't argue with the results.
Ummm... Barkley? Malone? Stockton? Ewing? Olajuwon? Robinson? Drexler? Thomas? Shaq? Mullin? Payton? I'm pretty sure all of those guys were great players that were either in their primes, or playing at a VERY high level at various points in the 90s. And he beat most of those guys in his many playoff runs.MJ won in a watered down 90's...when it counted the most he couldn't get it done in the 80's...he waited until all the prime compe ion was either too old or retired altogether....MJ couldn't beat anyone in his prime...and that's a fact....
I do think the 90's was a little weaker era than the 80's and 2000's, but it definitely had its fair share of great players. Difference was, talent was much more widespread through the league, as opposed to a few teams being unusually stacked like in the 80s (Lakers, Celtics, Sixers). MJ never played with as top-heavy talented teams as Bird and Magic did. But he did bring out the best in lesser-talented players, and the Bulls utilized the "team" concept on both ends of the court as well as any team in NBA history.
Watered down?MJ won in a watered down 90's...when it counted the most he couldn't get it done in the 80's...he waited until all the prime compe ion was either too old or retired altogether....MJ couldn't beat anyone in his prime...and that's a fact....
and please stop with the sensationalism...between Kobe and Kareem we talking 11 les and over 60k points.....but keep pimping the Bulls - Spur boy...
It's all relative
The fact that the 80's Lakers were mega-stacked made the WC super watered down
The EC in the was more compe ive than the WC back then
ANd as Stretch said, MJ faced some stiff compe ion in the 90's
Jerk is not the word...the word is bad guy....and as far as your mentally weak arguement...GTFO.....so helping Pippen, Paxson, and Hodges to become better players is the same as helping Chucky Atkins, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown to reach prime mental levels...GTFO...MJ had a ton to work with....great shooters, great defenders, etc etc....nothing you say justifies punching at teammate in the eye...or belittle them to the point you call them flaming gots....like Cartwright I would gotten into MJ's ass....no pun intended...
Kobe wouldnt punch a teammate because he is a pussyJerk is not the word...the word is bad guy....and as far as your mentally weak arguement...GTFO.....so helping Pippen, Paxson, and Hodges to become better players is the same as helping Chucky Atkins, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown to reach prime mental levels...GTFO...MJ had a ton to work with....great shooters, great defenders, etc etc....nothing you say justifies punching at teammate in the eye...or belittle them to the point you call them flaming gots....like Cartwright I would gotten into MJ's ass....no pun intended...
Jordan is a man, he punches people
Kobe is a , he rapes ugly women
Were you his teammate, would you feel any less betrayed?Not in the middle of a ing playoff game.
Goddamn...
It is a fair distinction that you bring up, but as a teammate, I am not so sure I would see it that way...
First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's compe on....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....
In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...
Let’s look at MJ’s compe ion at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s compe ion of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state.
John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…
Kobe has always dealt with compe ion at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the ing time…
Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc
Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers"
I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s compe ion was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur le yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.
MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.
The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...
and if that doesn't then Marinate on my old faithful baseline response...lol
Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):
.430 win %
0 les
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year
Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):
.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month
Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:
.492 win %
0 les
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year
Jerk is not the word...the word is bad guy....and as far as your mentally weak arguement...GTFO.....so helping Pippen, Paxson, and Hodges to become better players is the same as helping Chucky Atkins, Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown to reach prime mental levels...GTFO...MJ had a ton to work with....great shooters, great defenders, etc etc....nothing you say justifies punching at teammate in the eye...or belittle them to the point you call them flaming gots....like Cartwright I would gotten into MJ's ass....no pun intended...
More coulda woulda shoulda garbage.
All that matters in the end, is what you did, not what you could have done. If Tracy McGrady gave a , he could have been the best basketball player ever. If Shaq gave effort to shooting FTs, he could have been the greatest basketball player ever. But they didnt, so its irrelevant.
In the end, what MJ did, worked. And it didnt work with just one group of guys, he was able to do so with another completely different group, aside from Pippen, and succeeded again.
First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's compe on....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....
In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...
Let’s look at MJ’s compe ion at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s compe ion of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state.
John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…
Kobe has always dealt with compe ion at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the ing time…
Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc
Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers"
I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s compe ion was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur le yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.
MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.
The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...
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