Death Penalty

[Drachen]

he was garbage and was killed. bid deal
the real story is how Tejas scoffed Obama

The real story is how Texas scoffed at Americans (including Texans).

[desflood]

If you want to read up on the most likely case of an innocent man being murdered by the Texas Government - look up the Willingham case. Its very ed up.

While I agree that that case in particular was a major screw job from the very beginning, I never was completely convinced the man was innocent for one specific reason: As a parent, there's no ing way that I leave a burning house without at least one of my kids. Nope. I'll die a horrible death searching through the smoke for them before I'll run outside to save my worthless ass while they burn. Because that's the thing about having kids that you actually wanted to have; parental instinct trumps survival instinct.

[Drachen]

BTW I am against the death penalty because (as I put in the other thread), I think it is far too easy of a punishment for the crimes that these guys are convicted of. Screw that.

[redzero]

BTW I am against the death penalty because (as I put in the other thread), I think it is far too easy of a punishment for the crimes that these guys are convicted of. Screw that.

Lots of criminals on death row disagree with you.

[boutons_deux]

The fundamental problem with the death penalty is that corrupt, racist, career-padding prosecutors, experts, law enforcement convict innocents, and that's in addition to simple mistakes.

Only a ignorant Useful Idiot of a bubba tool like dubya would say the of the 500+ executed when he was governor of US Champion Executioner TX, that every one was truly guilty (iow, TX's criminal justice system is perfectly accurate with executions)

[I. Hustle]

Ok then how about this idea. We take all these guys on death row and put them on an island and provide them with food and water by plane. Then when we are training guys to be in green berets or seals or whatever we drop them on the island and see if they can survive for x amount of days. Those that kick ass get out and those that can't... well they don't.

[Blake]

I am not arguing for either case, I am just asking your opinion.

you don't seem to have the costs of incarceration correct, so I was just pointing you down a path filled with costs.

No need to get butthurt that I didn't give my opinion off the bat.

If a guy spends 20 years in prison he gets pretty close to that millin dollar mark anyway. Some guys go in just out of their teenage years and spend the rest of their lives locked up. So if a guy spends 30 years he surpasses that million dollar mark.

It goes beyond the $1 million per trial. I've seen sufficient evidence myself that it costs more on any number of levels to hand down a death penalty sentence than life without parole (LWOP).

I've waivered back and forth on the moral side, but the costs pretty much end the waivering for me.

Personally I think that when their is sufficient evidence that a person killed another (like that Malik Hasan guy) person(s) then they should just string them up right away. You did it, people saw you do it, we got it on camera... ok you die tomorrow. NEXT!

So you want to scrap the legal system.

Not a very well thought out opinion, in my opinion.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

some good points being made, but anybody that hasnt read the story or know the facts should, before defending this monster.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

And GWB since he asked for the same thing. Some story.

after we ed out on the TSA bill, ill take what i can get

[Blake]

Lots of criminals on death row disagree with you.

a number of criminals placed in the general population would disagree with that.

[redzero]

The criminals who hate being locked up for life could kill themselves if they really want to get out.

[I. Hustle]

you don't seem to have the costs of incarceration correct, so I was just pointing you down a path filled with costs.

No need to get butthurt that I didn't give my opinion off the bat.



It goes beyond the $1 million per trial. I've seen sufficient evidence myself that it costs more on any number of levels to hand down a death penalty sentence than life without parole (LWOP).

I've waivered back and forth on the moral side, but the costs pretty much end the waivering for me.



So you want to scrap the legal system.

Not a very well thought out opinion, in my opinion.

Do I want to scrap the legal system? No, I want them to change it so that murderers like Hasan just get caught then executed. Why is that not a good opinion in your opinion? Cutting time and energy, not to mention money, wasted on these individuals that are guilty without a doubt? I'm not talking about a guy suspected of murder but of someone who was actually out in the open and doing it in front of others.
If cost is the deciding factor for you then this way is pretty favorable in these cases then.

[I. Hustle]

The criminals who hate being locked up for life could kill themselves if they really want to get out.

That is an excellent alternative.

[Blake]

The criminals who hate being locked up for life could kill themselves if they really want to get out.

Interesting idea. Can you give an example of how someone can kill him/herself in the pen?

[redzero]

Interesting idea. Can you give an example of how someone can kill him/herself in the pen?

1.) Steal utensil.
2.) Make shiv.
3.) Use on self.

[ManuBalboa]

I'm against it. In cases of rape/murder they should cut off their s and hook them up to a constant IV drip of liquid viagra. Have fun with it. Hammurabi was just getting the ball rolling.

[I. Hustle]

Interesting idea. Can you give an example of how someone can kill him/herself in the pen?

I don't want to tell you because I don't want you to hurt yourself trying.

[I. Hustle]

I'm against it. In cases of rape/murder they should cut off their s and hook them up to a constant IV drip of liquid viagra. Have fun with it. Hammurabi was just getting the ball rolling.

I am all for that. These serial rapists guys or the ones that prey on little kids need something more than just a couple of years in jail and a piece of paper telling them to stay away from schools and churches.
They just need to strap them down and go Lorena Bobbit on them.

[jack sommerset]

There have been, on average, 34 executions in the US each year since 1977.

45 murders are committed each day in the U.S.

[I. Hustle]

For instance this chick would go straight to the front of the line.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/art...ed-1458015.php

[Blake]

Do I want to scrap the legal system? No, I want them to change it so that murderers like Hasan just get caught then executed. Why is that not a good opinion in your opinion? Cutting time and energy, not to mention money, wasted on these individuals that are guilty without a doubt? I'm not talking about a guy suspected of murder but of someone who was actually out in the open and doing it in front of others.
If cost is the deciding factor for you then this way is pretty favorable in these cases then.

There honestly is no such thing as "Without a doubt" no matter how hard you think the evidence might be.

Therefore, it's not a good opinion in my opinion because having the right to appeal is a good thing.

[Drachen]

Lots of criminals on death row disagree with you.

Well lucky for them they got the easy way out (the light punishment), they don't have to think about it anymore as soon as their sentence is carried out.

[Drachen]

Interesting idea. Can you give an example of how someone can kill him/herself in the pen?

why would they do that? As it stands now they get the easy way, someone else does it for them (and it hurts a lot less).

[z0sa]

The main problem with the life sentence is the costs of lifelong incarceration, as anyone educated on the matter will point out

the reality is, this nation needs to imprison less people (cough drug offenders cough)

[Drachen]

I realize I sound like a about this so I will try to stop sounding that way. I recognize that I see things differently than those who want to kill em all and those who don't want to for moral reasons and it is an unpopular way of looking at things, but there it is. Anyway, sorry for sounding like such a .