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She passed a bill without reading it. Yeah, total .
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She passed a bill without reading it. Yeah, total .
that .
I wouldn't call 60 repubs cronies. just because you don't believe in the tea party doesn't mean it is a bunch of politicians moving with the winds of popular opinion. especially cantor.
Do you really think every Republican reads every bill he or she votes on in its entirety, gtown?
Promised cuts. That doesn't mean from this president who is not good with promises to his own base much less his opponents.
You give him too much credit. He's ready to sign raising the debt limit. He said as much himself and even offered it to Obama yesterday. He just wants to do it for a few months, not until the next presidential elections.
Not to mention that this makes Boehner looks like a powerless idiot. They're cronies because defaulting is irresponsible and affects everybody, not just one party. This looks worse on the GOP than you think.
Technically Pelosi doesn't have to read the whole bill, i'm fine if she atleast knows it's entirety, she could have her staffers summarize it for her, but this Obamacare bill was passed so fast that Pelosi didn't give time for anyone to truly research it. She emphasize the necessity to pass the bill first and then research it. That's idiotic. Fine, politicians will not read a bill but skim it, get a summary and pass it. But to openly acknowledge you've done neither and have no clue what's in the bill and then push it along is well, i shouldn't point it out for you.
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Budgeting is done by Congress. If Congress passes the cuts, only Congress can undo them.
Do you know what defaulting really means?
cool, then why does obama have to promise them? Ask him why don't you.
Evay.... who's evay?
If we are gonna hold Bush accountable for overspending, Obama needs to be held accountable too. Also Boehner is a powerless idiot. The irresponsibility is every politician on both sides spending, knowing this would happen. Bush was given the briefs of the spending and the consequences. Repubs were thrown out for that. Obama pushing obamacare, green energy initiative, tarp, etc in a pre-stagflation is the irresponsible one who needs to fix the problem. not try and get politcal cash and capital for the future election.
Sure I do. Do you?
Because that's how negotiations are done? Until they put it on paper and passes both chambers of Congress and the prez signs off on it, it's not official.
I don't think anybody is leaving Barry blameless for overspending. Especially on things he campaigned he was going to shut down, like the wars.
you've been away a long time.
http://news.yahoo.com/boehner-seek-s...002231729.htmlObama tried to build political support for an ambitious package of spending cuts and new tax revenue that would reduce the debt by $4 trillion over 10 years. But from the moment he proposed it, Republicans said they would reject any tax increases and Democrats objected to spending cuts in some of their most prized benefit programs, including Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
a bipartisan group of lawmakers led by Vice President Joe Biden had already identified, but not signed off on, about $2 trillion in deficit reductions, most accomplished through spending cuts.
We would be fine aslong as we made interest payments. Not raising the debt ceiling doesn't mean we can't be able to do that. Plus SS has a trust fund so seniors can still get their checks. If this agreement is so urgent and emergency, why doesn't Obama take boehner's short term plan?
I like that they are getting atleast 2 T cuts. However I would love to see every loophole and subsities tak out. Best way to do that is a flat tax.
There are other side effects that are more problematic, like raised interest rates for everybody. You're also sending the message that you're not a trustworthy debtor, and that has implications on their own (other countries going away from using the dollar as a backing for their currency, which in turn reduces the leverage the US has)
Fortunately, I personally don't owe much so I don't think I would be affected much, but I think I'm in the minority here.
Obama won't take the short term plan because he doesn't want this to be this dog and pony show again 6 months from now. And again, and again.
Ultimately, if some sort of middle ground can't be reached, he might not have an option though. I can't think both the GOP and the Dems would be so irresponsible as to default.
Supposedly, the 'tax hikes' weren't such. They were closing loopholes used today by very large corps. I don't think that was going to fly with either party tbh. Just a rumor though.
If it's an emergency, you'll take what you can get.
Yep. Dems are not flying with some of that stuff. Barry even said he would fight them if he had to. But the GOP didn't bite either.
Right. The D-day is Aug 2nd. We'll see where we are then. If nobody is budging, then you would think there's no such emergency.
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