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    has anyone seen darrins and yoni logged in at the same time?

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    Yes, and yes.

    It was part of some OCR function in the process of digitizing do ents.
    And, he responded.



    I guess it is "compelling" if you are already predisposed to beleive this, and lack critical thinking skills to ask important critical questions about what is presented.
    It's still compelling.

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    It was part of some OCR function in the process of digitizing do ents.[/quote
    And, he responded.




    It's still compelling.
    You didn't actually watch the video I posted, did you?

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    Sorry, not gonna re-watch a youtube videos I have already watched, and already seen debunked by other people with far more qualfications than I have.

    I would simply ask a common sense question.

    The White House *knows* that there are paranoid conspiracy theorists out there, and has admitted as much.

    Given Obama's power/position/wealth, he would presumedly have access to some pretty hefty and talented fakers, would he not be able to present an actual certificate.

    Given the time available before its release seemed to be YEARS.

    Is it reasonable, that the expert faking it, presumedly competant, and having sufficient time available to do a pretty good job, would have left all of these layers in the do ent to be found by the first nutball with Adobe?

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    Yes, and yes.

    It was part of some OCR function in the process of digitizing do ents.

    The "layers" they found were due to the layers added at some point by Adobe itself.

    Adobe, among other programs, has a feature that allows you to scan something, then "select" portions for copying and pasting out of the scan and into other things, like Word do ents.



    The guy who made your video, although a graphic designer, is not a programmer.

    I guess it is "compelling" if you are already predisposed to beleive this, and lack critical thinking skills to ask important critical questions about what is presented.
    Super Mario proved you can create layers with Adobe on a scanned .jpg. So?

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    Here's another geek debunking Super Mario's OCR Theory...


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    Sorry, not gonna re-watch a youtube videos I have already watched, and already seen debunked by other people with far more qualfications than I have.

    I would simply ask a common sense question.

    The White House *knows* that there are paranoid conspiracy theorists out there, and has admitted as much.

    Given Obama's power/position/wealth, he would presumedly have access to some pretty hefty and talented fakers, would he not be able to present an actual certificate.

    Given the time available before its release seemed to be YEARS.

    Is it reasonable, that the expert faking it, presumedly competant, and having sufficient time available to do a pretty good job, would have left all of these layers in the do ent to be found by the first nutball with Adobe?
    They're an arrogant bunch, aren't they?

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    The problem here seems to be that Yoni doesn't know or understands how Illustrator or scanners work. Which is exactly the gullible people the author of those videos is targeting.

    Congrats Yoni!

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    I want to see George W. Bush's birth certificate -- pronto.

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    There's plenty of YouTubes about 9/11 being a government job too...

    Is that what's next?

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    The problem here seems to be that Yoni doesn't know or understands how Illustrator or scanners work. Which is exactly the gullible people the author of those videos is targeting.

    Congrats Yoni!
    But, I do. You should watch the last video I posted to see why the OCR Theory doesn't hold water.

    There's a difference between Adobe creating layers due to OCR Optimization and layers containing information about how that portion of the do ent was brought in from and outside file - a link.

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    In faking the birth certificate, Obama's people should have really fanned the flames of the conspiracy minded by creating a box for "Religious Preference" and incorporating "Muslim Extremist/Terrorist".

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    No you don't. You have ZERO clue. I'm willing to bet $100 you never even launched Illustrator in your life.

    The 'OCR Theory' isn't a theory at all if you ever used high end scanner.
    I have. Have you?

    Unfortunately, this is really WAY over your head. Like WAY WAY over your head.

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    There's another niggling question...

    Didn't President Obama say the original long form birth certificate had been destroyed and no longer existed?

    I seem to recall that when the White House released the Certificate of Live Birth and there was criticism that it didn't cons ute an actual birth certificate.

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    So, Yoni, is it a forgery?

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    Give me a high end scan of your birth certificate, Yoni, and I'll make the same video.

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    Has anybody debunked this yet?


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    I just want to know why Obama is using a high end scanner when regular people are suffering. He'll probably have it in tow on his way to Martha's Vineyard.

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    No you don't. You have ZERO clue. I'm willing to bet $100 you never even launched Illustrator in your life.

    The 'OCR Theory' isn't a theory at all if you ever used high end scanner.
    I have. Have you?

    Unfortunately, this is really WAY over your head. Like WAY WAY over your head.
    I never said I was an expert. I have used Illustrator but, no, I'm not an expert.

    Can you explain why the Optimization layers are links? Why the data shows they've been manipulated?

    I'm willing to bet everyone in the videos, Super Mario included, have more experience with Adobe Illustrator than either of us.

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    So, Yoni, is it a forgery?
    It appears, to me, to be a drastically altered do ent.

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    Can you explain why the Optimization layers are links?
    Yes. That's how high end scanner layers the do ents to make it easier to perform OCR on the do ent.

    Why the data shows they've been manipulated?
    The data doesn't show any manipulation. Actually, the data shows it was NOT manipulated.

    This has already been discussed on the thread you were pointed to when it was relevant. You should start reading there.

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    It really is HARD to properly forge a do ent. And if you're really trying to forge a do ent, you would never release a multi-layer version.

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    It really is HARD to properly forge a do ent. And if you're really trying to forge a do ent, you would never release a multi-layer version.
    Have you downloaded the .pdf and opened it in Illustrator to satisfy yourself?

    When I said manipulated, the video I posted below, describes how the linked image (in one case the a date at the bottom of the form) was sized and rotated when it was linked.

    Does OCR Optimization resize and rotate when it does its thing?

    As for why they would have released it in this form, you're guess is as good as mine.

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    It really is HARD to properly forge a do ent. And if you're really trying to forge a do ent, you would never release a multi-layer version.
    You would think.

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