This makes me sick...

[CommanderMcBragg]

Going to college doesn't make one any better for I know plenty of losers with college degrees. Some just go to college and screw around and get nothing out of it but debt. Many of those same peeps wouldn't make it in the military any how. It ain't for everyone.

[Sense]

I guess some college means they dropped out...

[Axe Murderer]

Many of those same peeps wouldn't make it in the military any how. It ain't for everyone.

no . i dont know many people that would choose getting bullets shot at them from all sides over getting an education.

[desflood]

exactly. most of them are people that realize right off the bat college isn't for them.

wtf is "some college"?

Actually, most of them are people taking classes who don't have their degree yet. Take my old man for example - in a week, he'll graduate with his Bachelor's in Computer Forensics. Until then he's just another stupid military asshole with "some college", according to many of you.

Not that I expect you to believe this, but most in the military are just as saddened and sickened by such events as you ordinary civilians.

[SourCandy]

Going to college doesn't make one any better for I know plenty of losers with college degrees.

Very sad but true.

[Sisk]

Going to college doesn't make one any better for I know plenty of losers with college degrees. Some just go to college and screw around and get nothing out of it but debt. Many of those same peeps wouldn't make it in the military any how. It ain't for everyone.

Very true. People like dok/axe have to rely on a piece of paper to "prove" to the world that they're worth anything. They have no true substance as people, but from a societal standpoint they're worth their degree. In the real world though, where interaction and understanding your respective industry are vital to success - people like this fail.

If your biggest claim to fame, if you will, is the degree you've earned, then you have a long way to go.

[Axe Murderer]

you're missing the point entirely. i never said going to college is the only way to be successful in life. I know plenty of people who find success in different ways which is even more impressive than getting a degree IMO.

im just saying that most people I know who joined the military did it because it was the easy thing to do. why the would somebody out of high school (who had the money to go through college) voluntarily join something where your life is at stake everyday while getting paid wages?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Going to college doesn't make one any better for I know plenty of losers with college degrees.

Spoken like someone who never went to college

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

In the real world though, where interaction and understanding your respective industry are vital to success - people like this fail.

In the real world the successful people are the people who are capable of more than taking orders.

I'm sure you're gonna be successful by judging people based off whether or not they've been in a fist fight before.

[desflood]

im just saying that most people I know who joined the military did it because it was the easy thing to do. why the would somebody out of high school (who had the money to go through college) voluntarily join something where your life is at stake everyday while getting paid wages?

I'm sure you've already realized how terribly you contradict yourself within these few sentences

[Axe Murderer]

America, yeah!

[Sisk]

In the real world the successful people are the people who are capable of more than taking orders.

How does having a college degree prove that you're capable of more than that? A professor gives you material to study, you take tests and/or write essays regarding the material. You're given plenty of direction in most college courses.

I'm sure you're gonna be successful by judging people based off whether or not they've been in a fist fight before.

I'm judging you regarding whether you've been in a fight or not because you're speaking like someone who's never faced any type of adversity. Then you sit there and put on your holier-than-thou at ude like you have first hand experience. It's pathetic.

I'm sure you've already realized how terribly you contradict yourself within these few sentences

[hehateme]

In the real world the successful people are the people who are capable of more than taking orders.

I'm sure you're gonna be successful by judging people based off whether or not they've been in a fist fight before.

You are a complete moron. Successful people are driven and have determination to get where they are in life regardless of taking orders or not.

Your sentence makes me think you came spelunking out from in between your moms meat flaps as a baby and started giving orders rather than taking them huh..

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How does having a college degree prove that you're capable of more than that?

Never said it did.

A professor gives you material to study, you take tests and/or write essays regarding the material. You're given plenty of direction in most college courses.

You still have to budget your time, study on your own, complete assignments on time, show up to class, be prepared, etc., completing college with a good GPA requires self-discipline and the ability to get done on your own. A career in the military means you were able to follow the directions of your commanding officer.

I'm judging you regarding whether you've been in a fight or not because you're speaking like someone who's never faced any type of adversity. Then you sit there and put on your holier-than-thou at ude like you have first hand experience. It's pathetic.

I'm pretty sure facing adversity isn't an excuse for laughing at the bodies of someone you just killed while tanks run them over.

[SA210]

America, yeah!

Another fist fighter

[DMC]

America, yeah!

TC is joining the Army?

[DMC]

you're missing the point entirely. i never said going to college is the only way to be successful in life. I know plenty of people who find success in different ways which is even more impressive than getting a degree IMO.

im just saying that most people I know who joined the military did it because it was the easy thing to do. why the would somebody out of high school (who had the money to go through college) voluntarily join something where your life is at stake everyday while getting paid wages?

This was my experience as well. Having been in the military, most of the people I knew who came in out of HS did so because it was their only opportunity to get away from the hole they grew up in. Some were not good in school and most of those guys went to the Army. Some of the 1st and 2nd year college dropouts ended up in the Navy or Air Force, mostly to pay for their tuition, thinking they would have time to complete their schooling outside of the 12 hour shifts we sometimes had to pull, and outside of the short notice TDY.

Me, I went in because I was from a small, hole town where there were no other options. You sell meth or you join the military. I am not a good salesman.

[Axe Murderer]

I'm sure you've already realized how terribly you contradict yourself within these few sentences

thanks for letting us know you're a ing dumbass who cant read

[DMC]

Very true. People like dok/axe have to rely on a piece of paper to "prove" to the world that they're worth anything. They have no true substance as people, but from a societal standpoint they're worth their degree. In the real world though, where interaction and understanding your respective industry are vital to success - people like this fail.

If your biggest claim to fame, if you will, is the degree you've earned, then you have a long way to go.

I sorta agree, but mostly not. It depends on their ages. If they are young and could not have achieved more at this point than they have, they have every right to brag about a degree. Once they reach their mid 30's, that degree will have helped them maneuver and their talk will no longer be about degrees, but about experiences.

I never scoff at education.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^Tbh that's right. If 10 years from now the brightest spot on my resume is a high college GPA, it means my life went nowhere.

[DMC]

yeah, I'm the naive one, the average american, "I wuv the military and they aways twy their best" belief isn't naive at all.

You're right, it's not naive, it's a strawman.

Swing away at that caricature of an argument I didn't even make. Keep hydrated however.

[DMC]

My favorite military nuthugger response of all of them is the meathead response where they try to act hard and say something like, "I'll bet your pansy ass has would never fight in a war and has never been in a fight"

Most of the people in the military have never been in a real fight. Most never see battle either. Most are REMFs, who end up collecting disability because their drill sgt was too mean to them.

It's not about being tough. Tough people generally don't make it out of boot camp. It's about being trainable and learning how to do really inefficient things without asking questions.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's about being trainable and learning how to do really inefficient things without asking questions.

So basically it's about being stupid.

[DMC]

only 5.8% having a bachelors

They would become officers if they had a BS in anything useful, so that would rule out most of the enlisted men from having BS or advanced degrees.

If you were enlisted making pay and you could go through OTS and become an officer, wouldn't you?

Lots of enlisted men do that.

[DMC]

So basically it's about being stupid.

Not necessarily. You have to be able to make things work that were poorly designed, or made by the lowest bidder (or both). It's not about being stupid, maybe some MOS's are stupid.