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    Sorry I didn't specify. I meant the telecommunications.
    Broadcast media:
    state controls broadcast media; state-owned terrestrial TV station and about a half-dozen state-owned satellite stations broadcast; some provinces operate local TV stations; a single, non-state-owned TV station launched in 2007; pan-Arab satellite TV stations are available; state-owned radio broadcasts on a number of frequencies, some of which carry regional programming; Voice of Africa, Libya's external radio service, can also be heard; a single, non-state-owned radio station broadcasting (2007)

    What is exactly of note there? How much dissent you think it's allowed on 100% state-owned media? lol

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    The main reason is I could care less who wrote a summary I paraphrased in my post.
    You mean, you knew and believed all that on your own before you came across that list by some Arab guy you don't know?

    Give us a link to his list so we can see what you paraphrased.

    Thanks.

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    BTW, a lot of those "Libyan Freedom fighters" were really Egyptian religious fundamentalists who had fled to Libya over the years to escape Mubarek...they had taken up residence in Eastern Libya and when their "brothers" overthrew Mubarek, they decided to try the same in Libya...then the UN steps in and WOOHOO the groundwork for another Fundamentalist Theocracy is set...long live the Mullahs!

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    BTW, a lot of those "Libyan Freedom fighters" were really Egyptian religious fundamentalists who had fled to Libya over the years to escape Mubarek...they had taken up residence in Eastern Libya and when their "brothers" overthrew Mubarek, they decided to try the same in Libya...then the UN steps in and WOOHOO the groundwork for another Fundamentalist Theocracy is set...long live the Mullahs!
    Link?

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    My recall has it that they called for stopping Gaddafi from killing the protesters. Remember the couple videos that showed these so-called protesters had weapons? I wonder, who fired the first shots?
    So that's what's this is about? Some conspiracy theory?
    The world is against a 'benevolent' dictator

    What's YOUR evidence that the rebels fired first?

    I'm sorry, I simply do not buy the UN reasoning. Looks like lies to me.
    I guess just because the UN says so, it must be gospel, huh?
    Well, we just happen to have an agreement with the UN. And the US as a country agreed with that assessment.

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    Broadcast media:
    state controls broadcast media; state-owned terrestrial TV station and about a half-dozen state-owned satellite stations broadcast; some provinces operate local TV stations; a single, non-state-owned TV station launched in 2007; pan-Arab satellite TV stations are available; state-owned radio broadcasts on a number of frequencies, some of which carry regional programming; Voice of Africa, Libya's external radio service, can also be heard; a single, non-state-owned radio station broadcasting (2007)

    What is exactly of note there? How much dissent you think it's allowed on 100% state-owned media? lol
    Do you always ignore the few good things listed?

    Does this:
    This may increase internet usage, which stood at only 4.7 percent in 2008 due to poor telecommunications infrastructure.
    sound right with these facts:
    Population:
    Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order.
    6,597,960 (July 2011 est.)
    country comparison to the world: 102
    note: includes 166,510 non-nationals

    Telephones - main lines in use:
    Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order.
    1.101 million (2009)
    country comparison to the world: 75
    Telephones - mobile cellular:
    Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order.
    5.004 million (2009)
    country comparison to the world: 95
    Not such bad numbers for the population. Especially for an African nation.

    Show me a better African nation.

    Maybe the UN should bomb all of Africa into democracy?

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    You mean, you knew and believed all that on your own before you came across that list by some Arab guy you don't know?

    Give us a link to his list so we can see what you paraphrased.

    Thanks.
    yeah Mr. Obvious. Unlike you I had educated myself on Libya and didn't swallow eveything I was thrown by the US media.

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    you. If you don't care to make some effort to educate yourself then don't. I'm not going to spoon feed you so you can nit pick out of context.

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    Do you always ignore the few good things listed?
    Does this:
    sound right with these facts:
    Not such bad numbers for the population. Especially for an African nation.
    Show me a better African nation.
    Maybe the UN should bomb all of Africa into democracy?
    Who's ignoring what?

    Those who displease the regime face harassment or imprisonment on trumped-up charges. The government controls the country’s only internet service provider. The OpenNet Initiative found that dissident websites were censored and hacked sporadically in 2009, although less often than in previous years.
    tbh, not surprised an authoritarian like you gives two thumbs up to censored internet access that can land you in jail.

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    yeah Mr. Obvious. Unlike you I had educated myself on Libya and didn't swallow eveything I was thrown by the US media.
    you. If you don't care to make some effort to educate yourself then don't. I'm not going to spoon feed you so you can nit pick out of context.
    You're really sensitive today.

    I understand you could be embarrassed to reveal your source for that list. It's a strong possibility.

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    Who's ignoring what?



    tbh, not surprised an authoritarian like you gives two thumbs up to censored internet access that can land you in jail.
    You are an idiot to mistake my acceptance of a sovereign nations rights for agreeing with them.

    These people know the law. They knew the penalties. Now you treat them as innocence?

    My God... Just how ignorant are you?

    Those who live within the laws of Libya, have a good life. Who are we to interfere with nations who re no threat to us?

    Again, since we attacked Libya, over trumped up reasons, when they rate as high as they do in the HDI, when are we going to attack the 100+ nations who are worse?

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    You are an idiot to mistake my acceptance of a sovereign nations rights
    What rights are those, and under what charter?

    Please quote the relevant portions of the UN resolution that you think are 'illegal' and back them up. It's your claim, thus your burden.

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    What rights are those, and under what charter?

    Please quote the relevant portions of the UN resolution that you think are 'illegal' and back them up. It's your claim, thus your burden.
    WC thinks sovereign nations have the right to brutalize and oppress their own people. He probably also thinks they should have the right to commit genocide.

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    WC thinks sovereign nations have the right to brutalize and oppress their own people. He probably also thinks they should have the right to commit genocide.


    Y'all act like this is something new to Africa.

    And yeah, the good old US of A ignores it all the time.

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    Don't expect to see any predator drones in Syria.

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    Y'all act like this is something new to Africa.

    And yeah, the good old US of A ignores it all the time.
    They just don't get it.

    There are far worse dictators to take out then Gaddafi. That's why I have asked, "who's next," mention the line in the sand we drew, etc.

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    Don't expect to see any predator drones in Syria.
    Wow...

    A nation likely 10 times worse than Libya, and we aren't going to do anything about their human rights abuses?

    Oh wait...

    They aren't 100% self sufficient like Libya was. They actually need the UN!

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    What rights are those, and under what charter?

    Please quote the relevant portions of the UN resolution that you think are 'illegal' and back them up. It's your claim, thus your burden.

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    Don't expect to see any predator drones in Syria.
    I expect them to be there if the UN imposes a no-fly zone against Syria.

    Why not?

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    Y'all act like this is something new to Africa.

    And yeah, the good old US of A ignores it all the time.
    Are these reasons why the international community shouldn't have gotten involved in Libya?

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    They just don't get it.

    There are far worse dictators to take out then Gaddafi. That's why I have asked, "who's next," mention the line in the sand we drew, etc.
    So who do you think is next and what is your evidence supporting your claim of who is next?

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    http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....why-not-syria/

    If Libya, why not Syria?
    Editor's Note: Tom Malinowski is the Washington Director for Human Rights Watch. Previously, he was special assistant to President Bill Clinton and senior director for foreign policy speechwriting at the National Security Council. The following is an edited transcript of his oral response to the following interview question: If Libya proves successful, why not Syria?
    There are big differences between Syria and Libya in terms of the kind of intervention that’s possible or desirable.
    In Libya, the opposition found itself in the first week of its revolt in control of almost half of the country’s territory. And then a conventional armed military force marched in their direction with bloody intentions. It was possible for NATO to interdict that force and protect the civilians in opposition-held areas by air power alone.
    In Syria, that’s not the case.
    The protest movement is dispersed throughout the country. The Syrian government and military still control every city in the country.
    Even if an armed military intervention were welcomed by the Syrian people, it’s hard to see how air power alone could protect them from Assad’s snipers and tanks.
    On top of that, it wouldn’t be welcomed because the Syrian opposition has said very clearly that they don’t want that kind of outside intervention.
    They do want political support; they want economic sanctions; they want a lot of other things but not military intervention. So there are those differences.
    All of these regimes are fairly hollow at the core. They resist change violently as long as they can. But once people lose their fear and once people supporting or defending the regime conclude that the tide has turned against them, they tend to collapse relatively quickly.
    So I think you do have this common pattern of apparent stalemate for weeks or months on end followed by very rapid collapse. That’s what happened in Libya and it will be interesting to see whether something similar happens in Syria.

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    why not Syria?

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    So you guys support the dictatorship in Syria too?

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    It's not like the precedent hasn't been set.

    And not by Obama.

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