Can we actually talk basketball instead of krew fapping?

[Lincoln]

Every person that played for Dallas in the post season also brought something to the table. Gone were the days of scrubs like breath and croshere not doing in the playoffs.

Even Haywood, who sucked ass all season, turned it up and was very valuable. Mahinmi and ing cardinal as well.

[DPG21920]

Stretch is ragin'!

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its really hard to find one specific player on the Mavs that was the second most important behind Dirk. its probably easiest to say Chandler, but when you look at the things other guys did, it makes it less easy to say it was flat out Chandler... Kidd's incredible versatility, clutch-as- shooting, and great crunchtime defense on elite players… Marion snagged soooo many key rebounds, defended elite wings extremely well, and provided high-percentage buckets with his much improved post-up offense… Terry especially in the Finals taking on the challenge of being defended by Lebron and kicking his ass in the process, helping Dirk out when Miami seemed extremely intent on not letting Dirk go off on them… Barea providing a legit penetrator, taking the scoring load while Dirk was out of the game and creating open shots for others… its really hard to say that the team could have been able to win without all those guys on the team… then again, when Haywood went down in the Miami series, the Mavs chances seemed like they might have been completely ed, but they still were able to get by with Cardinal and Mahinmi…. Hard to say.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Chandler was the biggest difference on the Mavs, no doubt imo. He completely changed the culture of that team from soft playoff chokers to rugged gamers. Kidd, Lincoln, and others weren't soft--but the team still was until Chandler got there.

[lefty]

chandler was the biggest difference on the mavs, no doubt imo. He completely changed the culture of that team from soft playoff chokers to rugged gamers. Kidd, lincoln, and others weren't soft--but the team still was until chandler got there.

+1

[z0sa]

Yeah, it's pretty crazy hwo big of an effect even a player like Chandler can have just because he's a 7 footer, can play solid defense, and can catch and finish around the hoop.

Just goes to show how much impact a big guy in the paint has opposed to perimeter players. Controlling the paint will always be the key to winning a le, and those strong in the paint will always be a more valuable commodity than those strong on the perimeter.

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Yeah, it's pretty crazy hwo big of an effect even a player like Chandler can have just because he's a 7 footer, can play solid defense, and can catch and finish around the hoop.

Just goes to show how much impact a big guy in the paint has opposed to perimeter players. Controlling the paint will always be the key to winning a le, and those strong in the paint will always be a more valuable commodity than those strong on the perimeter.

true to an extent, false to an extent

although we all know that your purpose in this post was not to actually talk basketball, but to subtly take a jab at dirk, while sucking off Timmy D.

the key to winning a championship is not controlling the paint, because if you have no perimeter play, then it means nothing, and vice versa.

they key to winning a championship is not having a great defense, because if you cant score points, then it means nothing, and vice versa.

the key to winning a championship is not having 2 dominant superstars, because if you don't have good role players, then it means nothing, and vice versa.




the true key to winning a championship is having balance, and an ability to succeed offensively and defensively under pressure. there are a number of ways to be able to do those things. some teams like dominant perimeter scorers and defenders (MJ and Pippen). some teams like dominant interior scorers and defenders (Duncan and Robinson). but the key in the end is having some sort of balance (MJ/Pippen had great team defense on the interior and a monster rebounder in guys like Grant, Cartwright and Rodman; Duncan/Robinson had great team defense on the perimeter and key perimeter contributors in guys like Elliott, Parker and Ginobili).

[Monostradamus]

Chandler was the biggest difference on the Mavs, no doubt imo. He completely changed the culture of that team from soft playoff chokers to rugged gamers. Kidd, Lincoln, and others weren't soft--but the team still was until Chandler got there.

Nice backpedaling..."I was just trolling/kidding this entire time." Right, just like when you gave up on dem Mavs and bashed Dirk endlessly after Game 4 against Portland--"I was just reverse-jinxing them, how do you not see the genius in that?"

You've crusaded for new rules and player safety ever since Week 5 last year, when there was a statistical anomaly of malicious hits--since then you've done nothing but bring emotion to this argument (like only a would do).

Truth be told, your post-Mavs le re ation is still going strong and affecting your posting in all forums now. DPG bent you over in the NBA Forum (DPCLD ), Rogue bent you over in the Club, and now you're looking to the NFL Forum for some lovin'

Who wants this thread to die now? , keep it going strong so I can give you weekly updates on concussions.

Now go home and get your in' shinebox

[DeadlyDynasty]

We keep hearing how Dirk still has a few years of his prime left. I'm here to tell you all that his prime blew by us, and we're witnessing the decline right now.

His scoring is up - great. His scoring is up only because he's taking more shots. His jumper used to be consistently great and automatic. A 4 for 18 night was a blue moon shock. Nowadays, he's just another streaky shooter who from time to time can get dialed in and never miss. Nowadays, a 4 for 18 shooting night is "Dirk's stinker of the week".

He never drives anymore, and when he does, he's almost guaranteed to miss the layup. He never had much of a post game, but at least before he could get a low post hook shot or two in every game.

His rebounding is way down, and his defense is far worse. There was a point a couple year's ago when Dirk's defense was actually pretty decent, and anybody who actually watched him on D regularly would know this. But he's right back to being the piss-poor defender he used to be, only now it's not because he's not focused, it's because physically he can't do it anymore.

This isn't meant to on Dirk because he can't help that his body is deteriorating. I'm sure he's working just as hard, if not harder, on his game.

This is just a wakeup call to all Mavs fans that Dirk simply isn't the superhero he used to be, that he is past his prime, and that at this point he is best served being a secondary option. And that things are only going to get worse from here for Dirk. Hopefully Mark & Donnie pull their head out of their ass and see the same thing, and do something about it (yeah, right).

[mavs>spurs]

Funny how Howard's lack of a polished offensive game is at the center of their argument while Dirk's defense gets swept under the rug.

Only a complete idiot/dirk fanboy would take Dirk over Dwight. A championship doesnt change that. Dirk's great offensive game doesnt change that. You dont take a great offensive player over a player putting up 23 ppg while simultaneously being the biggest defensive force in the league. Its much easier to build around Dwight then it was around Dirk, Otis Smith just happens to be an idiot.

there ain't that many s on their fanbase imho, most of them are picklebreaths who are similar to s but not actually are. its hard to say who's the better player between dirk and DH tbh, as they are of different positions & styles. if i were to build an NBA franchise of my own DH would be my #1 choice b/c hes relatively young and hence has a lot of potential to develop. whereas if i need to win something right now i'd definitely pick dirk over DH, and sign a defensive big like TC who plays D just as fine as DH does

[mavs>spurs]

the true key to winning a championship is having balance, and an ability to succeed offensively and defensively under pressure. there are a number of ways to be able to do those things. some teams like dominant perimeter scorers and defenders (MJ and Pippen). some teams like dominant interior scorers and defenders (Duncan and Robinson). but the key in the end is having some sort of balance (MJ/Pippen had great team defense on the interior and a monster rebounder in guys like Grant, Cartwright and Rodman; Duncan/Robinson had great team defense on the perimeter and key perimeter contributors in guys like Elliott, Parker and Ginobili).

golden point. the past years the mavs had no legit big, so even though they had some badass shooters outside they still struggled to make a serious run in the post season. damp was a fine player but he was way off the championship standard. C used to be mavs' shortest stave which had been holding'em back for years, but the arrival of TC has proven to be a tremendous change. in some video games like 2k11 such a signing doesn't make much change to the overall rating of this team imho, from 88 to 89 maybe, but the game itself is quite a different thing i think

[badfish22]

Just mav fans to prop up Dirk.

And yourself all season until they won the

[DPG21920]

That doesn't make any sense.

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That doesn't make any sense.

hes talking about you sucking dirk off all season and dismissing the rest of the team, and now that they won it all, you have pretty much done the opposite

[DPG21920]

Except I didn't do that. I clearly said I thought they had enough to win until Caron went down. At that point, I didn't think they had enough talent. I never just bagged on them though.

Why u mad and making up lies sons ?

[z0sa]

although we all know that your purpose in this post was not to actually talk basketball, but to subtly take a jab at dirk, while sucking off Timmy D.

The jab was at Kobe, Dirk is a big man who has a strong paint presence (rebounding and finishing around the hoop). auto-butthurt response is automatic.

[picc84]

If i'm Riles and Otis calls me with that offer I have Lebron on next redeye to Orlando.

Wade has proven he can be the primary/sole ballhandler and scorer on a championship team, and that frontcourt would be legendary and mesh perfectly. Dwight gives you 20+ points and handles the defense and rebounding, and Bosh spaces the floor for him and still gives you 18 with decent rebounding and help D.

Something else Miami could do is trade Lebron for Dwight, then trade Bosh for Iguodala. With Haslem they'd still have a decent floor-spacing 4 and Iggy would do all the Pippen things Lebron did without the pressure to score.

Chalmers
Wade
Iggy
Haslem
Dwight

Or

Chalmers
Wade
Miller
Bosh
Dwight

Only problem with 2nd lineup is lack of a perimeter stopper to save Wade's legs. James Jones I guess?

Slightly off-topic, would any frontcourt be more scary than Dwight and Dirk? They'd complement each others games better than maybe any other frontcourt ever.

On topic, Dwight is still a better player than Dirk. Dirk was a masterful offensive player in the playoffs but you still need guys to cover his weaknesses in every other aspect of the game. Dwight gives you everything at a high level.

You have to give it to Dirk though. For a player who's almost useless when he doesn't have the ball, on offense and defense both, you have to be UNBELIEVABLE with the ball to make up the difference so much you're still regarded as a legend. And he is.

[FkLA]

On topic, Dwight is still a better player than Dirk. Dirk was a masterful offensive player in the playoffs but you still need guys to cover his weaknesses in every other aspect of the game. Dwight gives you everything at a high level.

You have to give it to Dirk though. For a player who's almost useless when he doesn't have the ball, on offense and defense both, you have to be UNBELIEVABLE with the ball to make up the difference so much you're still regarded as a legend. And he is.

picc84 with disregard for safety, simply telling it like it is

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Tbh gook is the proper term for Asian Mavfans on this site. Calling a Korean a would be like calling me a raghead.

[Lincoln]

Dok am I a gook?

[ElNono]

Can we go back to krew fapping now?

[ElNono]

Also, what's worse? /gook or wigger?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dok am I a gook?

Aren't you Korean tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

/gook or wigger?

[Seventyniner]

I would bet a trillion dollars.

Who are you, Barack Obama?