Better Leader: Tim Duncan or David Robinson?

[ambchang]

He chased his teammates around with a bible, that's how.

And yet one flipped ... hmmm ... I guess that is pretty strong evidence it was that one single teammate rather than the issue with Robinson.

[Dex]

Robinson was responsible for saving the franchise in San Antonio. No Robinson no Spurs.

The same could be said for Gervin and, arguably, Duncan.

If Spurs don't win in '99, do they get a new arena? Do they stay in San Antonio? Who knows.

[joshdaboss]

i don't know about leader but on the court i think Robinson was a better all around player. rookie David Robinson would have killed rookie Tim Duncan. also lets not forget it was Robinson who played against "real" bigs in the 90's. did Duncan ever have a scoring le, quadruple double, 71 in a game? Drob>>>>>>Timmy D on every level.

ahahahahahaha Without Duncan, that asshole is ringless. He should be kissing Duncan's feet and giving thanks to Tim Duncan constantly, instead of God. Unless he believes they are the same person, of course.

[Calispursfan11]

LOL @ Magua from Last of the Mohicans. Awesome! LOL also at "religious subjugation" . Priceless!

[Calispursfan11]

I think Magua has troll potential.

[Magua]

Mangua read that Rodman didn't like Robinson's preaching to him when they played together, and ran with it.




Robinson's professing his faith in God didn't alienate teammates. Rodman is just a dumbass who couldn't take responsibility for his own willingness to quit trying when the chips were down. Saying Robinson's preaching influenced him to quit trying, or however he put it, is a copout from a guy with no character.

Pay me millions of dollars a year to play ball, and the team captain can tell me whatever he wants about religion/stock tips/self-help books/the cooking channel/checkers, whatever. Rodman has no balls otherwise he'd of just owned up that he acted like a spoiled child and quit on his team that post season.

Show me examples where Robinson wasn't a good leader. If anything he helped provide Duncan with the some of the tools he'd need to be the ultimate all-around player he's been in his career. Duncan credits Robinson with a lot of great mentoring early in his career. Robinson is largely responsible for the Spurs even being in San Antonio. His teams were incredibly successful in spite of the team having limited depth or talent prior to Duncan's arrival. If Robinson wasn't a leader he'd of been a guy with great stats on bad teams. His teams were consistent winners in the years before Duncan and that shows he had support from his team. All of his success came in spite of questionable coaches, lots of player turnover, and again, a limited supporting cast.

This thread was created to bash Robinson for his faith, plain and simple. Manuregua opens a thread with a religious chip on his shoulder, but has no real basis for any sort of real argument regarding Robinson's leadership skills. Just a chance for him to bash from a passive-aggressive viewpoint. I saw it, and sadly let myself get sucked into it anyway.

As I said, he should have just posted another anti-religious Club thread because that's all he's got. This thread was just a poorly veiled stab at religion. Weak.

Duncan taught Robinson how to win. The only thing Dave ever taught Tim was that Edge pro-gel gives you a close, comfortable shave.

[Sean Cagney]

Tim Duncan no question.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Tim Duncan no question.

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This.

He's a quiet leader, but his play spoke volumes. TD is probably the best PF ever too...Robinson is not in the same area code as some of the best C's.

[lefty]

But in 1999, the real leader was Mario Elie

Robby has always been a pussy, and while Duncan was already our go to guy, he wasn't the presence Elie was

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Duncan taught Robinson how to win. The only thing Dave ever taught Tim was that Edge pro-gel gives you a close, comfortable shave.

Robinson always played on crap teams before teaming up with TD...I forgot.



Perhaps Robinson taught Duncan how to win, and TD just continued the legacy.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

But in 1999, the real leader was Mario Elie

Robby has always been a pussy, and while Duncan was already our go to guy, he wasn't the presence Elie was

Elie = Robert Horry.


Maybe Horry was our team leader...or Manu...or SJax...or Willis as someone suggested.

Perhaps neither Tim or David deserve credit for leading the Spurs to any of those championships. Perhaps they just benefitted from being surrounded by talent superior to the rest of the league, and veteran leaders who could get them over the hump.

I'm seeing all of this differently now.

[lefty]

Elie = Robert Horry.


Maybe Horry was our team leader...or Manu...or SJax...or Willis as someone suggested.

Perhaps neither Tim or David deserve credit for leading the Spurs to any of those championships. Perhaps they just benefitted from being surrounded by talent superior to the rest of the league, and veteran leaders who could get them over the hump.

I'm seeing all of this differently now.

Exactly

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And yet one flipped ... hmmm ... I guess that is pretty strong evidence it was that one single teammate rather than the issue with Robinson.

Rodman's tenure with the Bulls is pretty strong evidence he wasn't the problem

[anonoftheinternets]

Rodman's tenure with the Bulls is pretty strong evidence he wasn't the problem

or that he learnt his lesson?

btw, this happned to be a convenient thread ... agenda anyone?

[Magua]

or that he learnt his lesson?

btw, this happned to be a convenient thread ... agenda anyone?

What lesson would that be? He was a winner before and after his Spurs days, and chances are he would've been a winner there too if not for Robinson's god-mongering

[anonoftheinternets]

What lesson would that be? He was a winner before and after his Spurs days, and chances are he would've been a winner there too if not for Robinson's god-mongering

maybe ... or he was normal (detroit days - was pretty sane and only cared abt bball) .. san antonio .. started to go a bit crazy... and then under threat of phil and the bulls ... reined himself in ... since if he failed in SA and then failed in CHI, back to back, he would mostly be on his way out of the nba.

Of course this is all just conjecture just like your opinion ...

[Leetonidas]

Rodman's tenure with the Bulls is pretty strong evidence he wasn't the problem

Gotta admit though it's pretty made to sabotage your own team rather than manning up and knocking D-Rob out or something. I'd respect that more imo tbh

[DMC]

A great leader knows how to develop his replacement by supporting him from the shadows. David allowed Tim to take the lead on both ends of the floor, and in doing so made Tim an MVP caliber player right out of college.

Some here have no idea about leadership as they've always been followers. Most won't understand leadership until they are well into their 30's.

[Magua]

A great leader knows how to develop his replacement by supporting him from the shadows. David allowed Tim to take the lead on both ends of the floor, and in doing so made Tim an MVP caliber player right out of college.

Some here have no idea about leadership as they've always been followers. Most won't understand leadership until they are well into their 30's.

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Coming from someone who follows Koolaid man into every thread he makes.

[Solid D]

This intent of this thread seems to have very little to do with interest in Timmy and Big Dave's leadership abilities.

[DMC]

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coming from someone who follows koolaid man into every thread he makes.

1/10

[ivanfromwestwood]

ahahahahahaha Without Duncan, that asshole is ringless. He should be kissing Duncan's feet and giving thanks to Tim Duncan constantly, instead of God. Unless he believes they are the same person, of course.

who said anything about who got who a ring? all i say is bring Duncans 150 lb rookie ass against Robinson monster rookie body and DRob would have killed Timmy in every part of the game. Timmys footwork would have been against DR defense. DRob could have won a dunk contest.. i still love Timmy but DR would have pulled a Neal on him.

[johnnySpurs]

I wonder how many people actually watched David play vs. how many just spout hearsay.

There's no point in comparing the two. Spurs fans are spoiled to have transitioned from one legendary, dominating, HOF big to another... especially via draft. It may be a while before we see a team as winning as we've seen in the DR or TD eras.

[Venti Quattro]

[ambchang]

Another proof that basketball, like tennis, 100m dash, archery and such, is an individual sport.