FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries?

[Th'Pusher]

Why should the people who fuel the economic engine of this country be forced to pay more to a government that only wastes the money it receives? (See Solyndra)

Because they're not fueling the economic engine sufficiently. They're hoarding money and it's not trickling down as was the premise of the tax cuts in the first place. Because they're not holding up their end of the bargain, the government now has to step in and confiscate their money to redistribute it to those those that will actually create demand. Unfortunately, that's not efficient, but I am all for looking to make government more efficient at redistributing that wealth.

[ElNono]

I'm not the only one criticizing him.

So you are criticizing him, and obviously without a basis, seeing you "don't care what he's referring to".

Please do keep on ranting, old man

[Yonivore]

So you are criticizing him, and obviously without a basis, seeing you "don't care what he's referring to".

Please do keep on ranting, old man

At what point will the rich be paying their fair share?

[ElNono]

The standard deduction and exemption is not the same as what is called a deductible.

Admit it, you made a simple mistake. To do otherwise proves a hard head, not willing to admit a simple mistake, and makes people assume you were purposely misdirecting people.

Can you say propaganda?

I did the math on CosmicCowboy's example.

lol conspiracies

[Th'Pusher]

At what point will the rich be paying their fair share?

When they begin fueling the economic engine sufficiently.

[ElNono]

At what point will the rich be paying their fair share?

Some already might be. Some are not.

At which point will both parties agree to close the tax loopholes abused by some?

[Yonivore]

Because they're not fueling the economic engine sufficiently. They're hoarding money and it's not trickling down as was the premise of the tax cuts in the first place. Because they're not holding up their end of the bargain, the government now has to step in and confiscate their money to redistribute it to those those that will actually create demand. Unfortunately, that's not efficient, but I am all for looking to make government more efficient at redistributing that wealth.

Wow! That's a mouth full of socialism.

And, they're "not holding up their end of the bargain" because this President has socked them with a flurry of policies and regulations that still have them wondering how they're going to pay for them. Obamacare being chief among them.

[Yonivore]

Some already might be. Some are not.

At which point will both parties agree to close the tax loopholes abused by some?

I'm all for a consumption tax, like the Fair Tax.

At which point will government stop spending so much? You can't tax yourself to prosperity. Taking more money from the private sector will not spur economic growth.

[Wild Cobra]

Because they're not fueling the economic engine sufficiently. They're hoarding money and it's not trickling down as was the premise of the tax cuts in the first place.

And who the are you to dictate how they spend their money... if that;'s where you are going?

Who the if evil enough to believe other people's money belongs to everyone?

Because they're not holding up their end of the bargain, the government now has to step in and confiscate their money to redistribute it to those those that will actually create demand.

The money is used one way or another.

If saved, it supplies money to be borrowed.

Oft times, it is capital invested in start up companies.

Unfortunately, that's not efficient, but I am all for looking to make government more efficient at redistributing that wealth.

If you really believe that, then you are a threat to America. like other liberals.

[ElNono]

So you agree that the tax cuts to prop up the economy have been nothing but a con job? Thanks, yoni

[Th'Pusher]

Wow! That's a mouth full of socialism.

And, they're "not holding up their end of the bargain" because this President has socked them with a flurry of policies and regulations that still have them wondering how they're going to pay for them. Obamacare being chief among them.

How many jobs were created under the bush administration?

[ElNono]

I'm all for a consumption tax, like the Fair Tax.

At which point will government stop spending so much? You can't tax yourself to prosperity. Taking more money from the private sector will not spur economic growth.

No, I'm talking about loopholes that allow GE to pay no taxes at all, or Google to pay a much smaller nominal tax than 35% (or whatever the corp tax currently is).

Yoni, were you asking when the government would stop spending so much when they passed an unfunded obligation like Medicare Part D? Do you realize that's as much, if not more, costly than Obamacare?

[Wild Cobra]

Not really. Different people make different money and have different needs.
You're trying to apply a fairly simplistic solution to a complex problem.

I simply belive in fairness. Your solution is class warfare.

At what percentage do you finally decide the rich pay enough?

Admit it It is based on jealousy that you believe rich people should pay a higher tax rate.

[ElNono]

I simply belive in fairness. Your solution is class warfare.

The current tax code isn't "my solution". I do think it could use a few tweaks and closing a few loopholes, but overall I find it fairly fair.

lol parts changer talking about jealousy

lol waiting for a bone

[Yonivore]

No, I'm talking about loopholes that allow GE to pay no taxes at all, or Google to pay a much smaller nominal tax than 35% (or whatever the corp tax currently is).

Yoni, were you asking when the government would stop spending so much when they passed an unfunded obligation like Medicare Part D? Do you realize that's as much, if not more, costly than Obamacare?

Well, when GE and Google quit employing people and pumping billions into the economy, I'll start ing.

How 'bout that Solyndra, eh? $535 Million of our money and how many people do they now employ?

[Yonivore]

The government isn't getting too little in taxes, they're spending too much.

[Th'Pusher]

And who the are you to dictate how they spend their money... if that;'s where you are going?

Who the if evil enough to believe other people's money belongs to everyone?

The Bush Tax cut were temporary. We tried the trickle down thing and it failed, so now it's time to let them expire. The 'job creators' didn't hold up their end of the bargin. The job creators fault tbh.

The money is used one way or another.

If saved, it supplies money to be borrowed.

Oft times, it is capital invested in start up companies.

The money is invested where it will get the highest return, which increasingly, is not in America.

[ElNono]

Well, when GE and Google quit employing people and pumping billions into the economy, I'll start ing.

They did. GE just moved their entire X-Ray division to China.
I didn't remember you complaining, yoni.

[ElNono]

The government isn't getting too little in taxes, they're spending too much.

They're getting the least ever. Fact.

[Th'Pusher]

The government isn't getting too little in taxes, they're spending too much.

How many jobs were created under the bush administration?

[Wild Cobra]

They're getting the least ever. Fact.

They are getting less than ever because they have run the jobs out of this country. Not because of tax rates or deductions. Less taxes equal more economic activity, and the feds still get about the same percentage. That assumes relatively stable jobs.

[Yonivore]

They're getting the least ever. Fact.

I don't know if that's true but, if so, good. When you have $535 Million to flush down the toilet, you should have your paycheck cut.

[baseline bum]

I stand corrected...

I have stated at least once, probably several times that English was my worse subject in school.

Wow, it was even worse than your math?

[Yonivore]

They did. GE just moved their entire X-Ray division to China.
I didn't remember you complaining, yoni.

Can't say as I blame them as this point. The still employ more people than any of Obama's jobs initiatives.

[Yonivore]

Isn't GE's CEO something in the Obama administration?