I don't understand why you think the Rays are so inferior to the Red Sox. They have the deepest rotation in the AL, adequately replaced Crawford in LF and the back end of their bullpen, and are heading down the stretch with the most momentum of any team if they pull off the come-from-behind playoff run.Sox now only 1 game up and are currently up 4-3 in the 1st. Comon Baltimore. Tampa in the playoffs=an easy, fun, dominating road for a Phillies world series championship.
The Red Sox are extremely talented on paper, but they're playing awfully this month and aren't completely healthy. Again, I still think the Red Sox have the edge to get to the post-season, but I'd argue the Rays would be the tougher opponent in a World Series matchup.
Please. The Rays don't stand a chance against the Phillies. Your ty offense won't do anything. As for pitching, Phillies>>>>>>>>>>>Rays and it isn't even close. This is a much much better team than the one that kicked your asses all over the place in 2008. This would be an easy sweep or 5 game series for the Phillies. The Rangers/Yanks/Tigers stand a much better chance even though they would win 2 games max. Sorry, but your team would be lucky to win 1 game against the Phillies. Ahhh Rays fans.
tigers are playing the best they should go to the world series
phillie fan did you think giants would kick you out of playoffs lastyear
Nope but this years Phillies are much much stronger. Pence really makes a difference plus we have Cliff Lee back. There is no NL team that can hang with the Phillies this year and Boston was the only AL team who could go the distance with Philly. The rest of the AL teams are weak with Tampa being the weakest of em all.
We were talking Rays/Red Sox and you didn't counterpoint anything I mentioned about the Red Sox. Nice homerific take on your team though bud. I love "frontrunner" fan who roots for the team with enough payroll to buy four top-of-the-rotation starters, when the Rays are making it interesting with a quarter of that payroll.
The Sox bats are loaded. Beckett/Lester are great pitchers and I don't want to see them in a series. Tampa's bats blow and their starters are nothing to lose sleep over especially with the aces the Phillies have. Beckett/Lester have had proven postseason success and have rings.
Oh, and quit crying about your damn payroll. Get an owner who is willing to spend and get fans to actually attend your games. The only reason the Rays are even making this interesting is because Boston is imploding. I would LOVE Tampa to make the world series though. It would be fun to kick their asses again. It would be such an easy series. , it would be even easier than 2008.
baseball needs a hard salary cap
cut phillies,boston,angels, yankees payroll in half and be fair
sorry tamba bay does not have that great tv contract yankees and other big spending team haveThe Sox bats are loaded. Beckett/Lester are great pitchers and I don't want to see them in a series. Tampa's bats blow and their starters are nothing to lose sleep over especially with the aces the Phillies have. Beckett/Lester have had proven postseason success and have rings.
Oh, and quit crying about your damn payroll. Get an owner who is willing to spend and get fans to actually attend your games. The only reason the Rays are even making this interesting is because Boston is imploding. I would LOVE Tampa to make the world series though. It would be fun to kick their asses again. It would be such an easy series. , it would be even easier than 2008.
It will never happen.
Man this al wildcard race is a cluster . Boston keeps imploding, Tampa is getting their pushed in against a Yankees team with half of their lineup out there, and now the Angels are tied with the rays?
BoSox bats are good when they're healthy...of course they never are. Neither is Beckett by the way. Lester is solid, but he's looked really human lately. So has the back end of their bullpen. I get that the Rays bats aren't nearly as scary, but their pitching staff (which is something to lose sleep over no matter what you say) will always put them in a position to win.The Sox bats are loaded. Beckett/Lester are great pitchers and I don't want to see them in a series. Tampa's bats blow and their starters are nothing to lose sleep over especially with the aces the Phillies have. Beckett/Lester have had proven postseason success and have rings.
Oh, and quit crying about your damn payroll. Get an owner who is willing to spend and get fans to actually attend your games. The only reason the Rays are even making this interesting is because Boston is imploding. I would LOVE Tampa to make the world series though. It would be fun to kick their asses again. It would be such an easy series. , it would be even easier than 2008.
As for the payroll, I'm not complaining. I'm saying the Rays have done a great job in spite of a limited payroll. It'd be interesting to see what the Phillies, Yankees or Red Sox would do with the Rays payroll, but I know that'll never happen.
Also, you're an idiot if you think ticket sales (attendance) are the biggest generator of revenues. And if a team can only make so much, I doubt billionaires will be clamoring to buy the team and intentionally lose money to field a winning team...they wouldn't be rich in the first place if they were that stupid.
Btw, the only reason I'm even bothering to debate with you is because you're an arrogant ass and you use emoticons like my 15yr old nephew.
Tampa should not be slept on. Their top 3 starting pitchers might not be as good as Halladay/Lee/Hamels, but especially for pitching in the DH league, they're not that far off. Shields would be right in the middle of the AL CY conversation if not for a couple inexplicable games against Seattle and Oakland. David Price is a top 10 left handed starter, arguably top 5. And ickson is a very impressive young starter. Their offense is just really bad. Longoria with a down year although he's still provided power and has come on in the second half, Upton continues to underachieve. Their best all around hitter might be Zobrist. But Jennings looks really good. They needed more consistency from Joyce after his hot start. And they needed one of the other younger kids to come up with a surprisingly good season. But their starting pitching can hold their own with any team, especially any team in the AL.
Philly's the best team in baseball. But it's not like their offense can't be held in check by good pitching. And their bullpen is suspect too. To me, in the NL Milwaukee is a more dangerous team than Philly. Their starting pitching has come on. They have an explosive offense. And they have a solid bullpen. Maybe more than anything, the Brewers have that "it" factor, that mojo, the intangible feel of a team that could do some special things even though they aren't technically the best team out there.
In the AL, I think Texas has the best combination of starting pitching and hitting than any of the other AL teams. They fortified their bullpen. But that starting pitching, while good, still has question marks because of their youth and inexperience. Can Ogando hold up after throwing so many innings? Is CJ Wilson a bonafide ace? As much talk as there had been most of the season of the Red Sox and Yankees, the two best teams in the AL look like Texas and Detroit.
Not gonna lie, Detroit scares me. Rangers always seem to have issues with them for whatever reason...
The rays pitching staff doesn't scare me. It didn't in 2008, and it certainly doesn't now. It is so inferior to the phillies that it isn't even funny. The Phillies bats will have their success especially with Hunter Pence around this time. Beckett/Lester scare me. Shields/Price/ ickson not so much.
For now they have done a great job. They'll lose more of these guys in the near future. You can't and won't be a consistent winner with a cheap payroll.As for the payroll, I'm not complaining. I'm saying the Rays have done a great job in spite of a limited payroll. It'd be interesting to see what the Phillies, Yankees or Red Sox would do with the Rays payroll, but I know that'll never happen.
They aren't the biggest generator, but attendance is pretty important. Again, get an owner who is willing to spend or you won't have consistent winning seasons. It also wouldn't hurt to have the home crowd actually show up to the games.Also, you're an idiot if you think ticket sales (attendance) are the biggest generator of revenues. And if a team can only make so much, I doubt billionaires will be clamoring to buy the team and intentionally lose money to field a winning team...they wouldn't be rich in the first place if they were that stupid.
It's ok to be jealous and bitter(2008). Go ahead and keep bragging about how "great" it is that your team is doing so well with such a small payroll. I'd rather have my team spend big and win big rather than spend small and lose in the ALDS.Btw, the only reason I'm even bothering to debate with you is because you're an arrogant ass and you use emoticons like my 15yr old nephew.
EVERYONE including Tampa Bay fans were saying this same exact in 2008. "They shouldn't be slept on", "They can hang with the Phillies", "The Phillies bats will struggle" etc etc etc, and how did it end? A 5 game asskicking. This Phillies team is much much better than the 08 squad, and Tampa isn't anywhere near as good as they were that year. Tampa would be lucky to win a game. They don't stand a chance in against the Phillies in a series.
Oh and
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I don't give a about your "don't scare me" factor. The fact is that the Rays have five talented pitchers, the top three of which you could consider "aces", who can dominate any lineup including the Yanks, Sox or your precious Phillies.
The thing about having a good GM/President is that you CAN actually compete with a smaller payroll. The Rays have drafted well, developed low-level talent, locked up players at lower-than-market rates (Longoria, Zobrist), found cheap replacements (Kotchman, Farnsworth) and most of all...they've known when to flip their current talent for future returns.
Right now they've got eight MLB-calibur starters and should be able to flip one or two to fix the holes on offense and keep their farm system one of the best in baseball.
The owner did spend last year...increased payroll to $60M. Unfortunately it didn't pay off and then the Sox, Yanks, Tigers and Cubs overpaid to price any of the talent out of the Rays' range. Again, a billionare will only be willing to lose so much for so long in order to fulfill an intangible goal.
The past doesn't have anything to do with my dislike for you. Keep being an arrogant front-running fan and I'll throw it in your face if the Phils don't win like they're expected to because they bought/traded for the best rotation in baseball.
You know this guy is just trolling the out of you, right?
lol AFBlue
lol "Baylor isn't cheating in basketball"
I don't think so. This on the other hand...
lol
lol bukkakked
Seriously, dude...hardcore troll...check the NFL Forum...anywhere where they're talking about the Giants, you will see it.
the future means nothing. After someone goes to the world series, going backwards is the last thing you want to do. Unfortunately, Tampa won't be getting great opportunities year after year with Boston/NY in that division. 2008 was a great opportunity with the Yanks having a fluke down year, but they have regressed ever since.
It has everything to do with it. The Phillies kicked your asses all over the field and ended your magical run. You hate the fact that you can't spend like my team does and produce winning results.The past doesn't have anything to do with my dislike for you. Keep being an arrogant front-running fan and I'll throw it in your face if the Phils don't win like they're expected to because they bought/traded for the best rotation in baseball.
article boston collapse overblown
my ass with that payroll
they suck at begging of season and end
boston could easily get swepted tomorrow
yankees want to kick them out of postseason NOW
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