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Our government has shown no evidence whatsoever that Awlaki was engaged in terrorism. If such evidence exists, it would justify a criminal trial, not an assassination.
Self defense is cons utionally guaranteed, as well.
You'd have a point if he hadn't been driving down a road in Yemen engaging in terrorist activities.
Our government has shown no evidence whatsoever that Awlaki was engaged in terrorism. If such evidence exists, it would justify a criminal trial, not an assassination.
I think they classified him as an enemy combatant, not a criminal. There's your difference. You're welcome.
Awlaki, himself, provided all the evidence needed to consider him a terrorist and an enemy of the United States.
Bull . You have no idea what they did, because what they did isn't subject to any disclosure or oversight. Indeed the legal basis for the killing of Awlaki is a state secret.
No, I lapped up nothing. I thought Awlaki was a scrote deserving to die long before Obama put him on any list.
Frankly, I don't care what justification Obama used, as long as the bas is dead. If he had any balls, he'd take Khalid Sheik Mohammed out of his cell, take him out in front of the rest of those s bags in Gitmo, and put a bullet in his head.
May as well shut down travelers services at US embassies around the world, then, I suppose. No point in wasting State Department dollars on Americans divested of citizenship rights abroad.
Just the terrorists.
I'm pretty sure that would exacerbate the situation, and greatly increase terrorist recruitment by martyring him.
It's a pretty blurry line between terrorist and blogger for people who don't automatically equate Muslim with Evil.
Should Rush Limbaugh be denied privileges of citizenship abroad? He wants our country to fail. Or what about the dozens of fringe-ier AM DJs like the New World Order tool-box up in Austin? Why do some citizens get to hide behind the 1st amendment and others not? Al-Awlaki wrote stuff that incited violence towards Americans, but nothing worse than Neo-Nazis publish with no consequences, and certainly not death w/out due-process. Even the Rosenbergs got a trial.
There was no blur around al Awlaki.
Actually, this has become as big a mischaracterization as "Bush lied." I agree with Rush in that I want Barack Obama to fail to implement his economy killing, job killing policies. That's a bit different than saying you want the country to fail. Particularly when you believe it is Obama's policies that are causing the country harm.
Would you say that people who wanted Bush to fail to implement his policies -- and there are a bunch of them in this forum -- wanted the country to fail? I wouldn't. I would simply say they're wrong.
Again, you're talking about the difference between an enemy combatant and a criminal.
Yeah, they've slowed down their recruitment efforts.
They'll glom onto any perceived injustice to Muslims as a reason to hate America. 'em.
I always forget the legal mind I'm reckoning with. Such subtlety. Such rigor.
yoni won't be able to tell you who or what decides what an "enemy combatant" is, but he'll only start caring when somebody from the red team gets flagged as such.
Basically. Couldn't even sue or request a FOIA without facing a "states secrets" trump card.
isn't this what the War on Terror was all about? if you put his killing under that umbrella, he's a combatant since he's a terorrist
All about creating an arbitrary system of justice that's neither the military or civilian? Sure, that was some of that.
That said, the SCOTUS ruled that US citizens have the ability to challenge their status as an "enemy combatant" in front of an impartial judge. Now THAT is what America is all about.
isn't he pretty clearly sided with the enemy? you think he had any room to argue? it's him in the video. and it wasn't only us either. Yemen's gov. ordered him to be captured dead or alive for plotting against foreigners.
We live under the rule of law. A guilty verdict in this country is handed by a court. Be it a civilian or military court. You can make 20000 videos and say whatever crazy thing you do and you'll still have to face a judge. If you actually act on your threats, you'll still be afforded a fair trial for your charges on conspiracy or whatever they'll charge you with.
Nobody is saying this guy wasn't an asshole and deserved to die. But since the inception of 'enemy combatant', something decided in an office somewhere, without any oversight, we've been effectively dismantling our Cons utional justice system and replacing portions of it with an administrative rubber stamp with no oversight.
Ultimately, what FL said earlier should've been the proper way to act: try him in absentia, where he would have a chance to exercise his rights if he choose to (unlikely), get the death sentence, then it's fair game. No secrets needed. Everything within the law.
The crazy ones will. But don't you think there are moderates who might be swayed if America made a martyr of a terrorist instead of putting him on trial?
We're not allowed to know the legal reasoning. Maybe someday we will...but I tend to doubt it.
We've turned a corner. The emergency powers and official secrecy arrogated by Bush and tolerated -- even cheered on --by a craven, infantile American public, have not only acquired the respectable patina of custom under Obama, he has extended them. He has put a sword in the hand of arbitrary power to wield against the lives of his countrymen, and stifles any honest review of that power with an ever growing blanket of secrecy.
Our government says Awlaki is a terrorist. It also said all the guys at Gitmo were terrorists, but let over 2/3 of them go. Somehow, it couldn't bring suitable charges in commissions that allowed secret evidence, evidence obtained under physical duress, and almost no cross examination by the defense.
Do you believe everything our government says?
No but, I believe Awlaki was a terrorist.
I guess we'll see how that works out in the Awlaki case, eh?
I wasn't asking you. You've already made yourself clear.
lol what a ing moron
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