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On its face, it certainly seems asinine. What was the government's reasoning? Were they tagging these guns to track them or something?
Someone needs to be fired. it was a failed drug sting. You use the illicit goods to entrap in a sting. Thats the whole gig. The ed up and lost the goods and didn't bring in a big fish. Attempting a failed sting is incompetence not criminal or otherwise you don't run any stings in that manner.
The democrats and the ATF have been riding the fail whale for decades.
On its face, it certainly seems asinine. What was the government's reasoning? Were they tagging these guns to track them or something?
Apparently, they were just waiting to see where they would "end up." No, as fare as I can determine, the guns did not have any electronic tracking devices attached.
It's a bit more than a "sting" gone wrong...
Gunwalker: Under White House Control?
And, certainly don't take that blogger's word; follow the links provided and make your own judgement.
What do you think is the criminal activity. The factual evidence in the first half just says that they let the guns out of their sight which is incompetence.
I know you love the witchhunting in the second half where they intimate that the allowing of the guns accross the border was a deliberate move to get guns to them but I see no evidence of that. Thats quite an accusation along the lines of Serpico.
i like how you 'conservatives' turn on the law and order crowd so easily. Lovely.
The two party system is so dumb.
Meanwhile, in related news:
Media Silence Is Deafening About Important Gun News
In the first six months of this year, there were 14% fewer murders in Chicago compared to the first six months of last year – back when owning handguns was illegal. It was the largest drop in Chicago’s murder rate since the handgun ban went into effect in 1982.
I suppose it's just coincidence the "gunwalking" operations (yes plural) were implemented around the time Obama's commiseration with Mexico that most of the violence there was caused by guns bought from U.S. gun dealers. I think he placed the number at 90%, according to the report.
The actual number was around 8%. Well, that's embarrassing. What to do? Start running guns into Mexico and see if you can't achieve 90%, eh?
Did you see the ATF chart I posed earlier?
All those points ending in Mexico is where the guns just "ended up," presumably at a crime scene. And, that's just from "Fast and Furious." They're still balking on "Wide Receiver" and the other unnamed "gunwalking" operations.
Incompetence my ass. It was intentional.
What do you want to bet the percentage of guns bought at U.S. gun dealers and used in Mexican crimes has gone up from 8% since the inception of these "gunwalker" programs?
i see yoni is still peddling his conspiracy theory.....
It's not my theory.
But, to be fair, the administration isn't offering any defense that would counter the theory.
Innuendo becomes fact when its a GOP tink tank that its read from in Yoni's world.
Keep on turning on the law and order crowd. Its adorable.
This is a truth that all wise Americans understand. When the criminals have to compete in a level playing field, so many more of them chicken out.
I'm pretty sure the blog I linked, in turn, linked to both mainstream media reports (CBS) and official do ents, so far -- if reluctantly -- released by the administration.
I ask you again, what could possibly be the legitimate law enforcement or national interest in setting up multiple "gunwalking" operations with no way to track the guns, once they left our soil?
Are More Damaging Findings from 'Fast and Furious' About to Surface?
O'REILLY: No but you know what I'm talking about here. Usually lights a fuse particularly to somebody like that at the level the White House level who actually curse at a reporter, a CBS News correspondent. That's not something that happens every day, Sharyl. So what do you think lit that fuse?
ATTKISSON: Well, I would say there have been some pretty incredible developments in the past week. Also, do ents we haven't even had time to report on all of them. They are very sensitive do ents and allegations going around. Many of them we haven't reported yet because we need to get more confirmation of them.
But what you see on the surface that we do report in our stories is really only a part of what may be going on and we may be reporting the future when we can get confirmation.
They're still translating the do ents!
Irony and hypocrisy, Eric Holder embraces both in his letter to Congress...
Attorney General Eric Holder fires back on Fast & Furious
Pretty rich, coming from the guy that led investigations into the interrogation techniques employed by the CIA and intelligence services, during the Bush administration, which resulted in no deaths and preserved American lives; unlike the "gun walking" practice which led to the deaths of two American agents and hundreds of Mexican nationals - - so far.Holder also lashed out at some of the more extreme charges being leveled by Republican lawmakers, such as a statement this week by Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) that federal officials who approved the “gun-walking” technique should be charged as accessories to murder.
“Such irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric must be repudiated in the strongest possible terms,” Holder wrote. “Those who serves in the ranks of law enforcement are our nation’s heroes and deserve our nation’s thanks, not the disrespect that is being heaped on them by those who seek political advantage.”
Why are "those who serve the ranks" of national security not our nation's heroes and undeserving of our nation's thanks instead of the disrespect heaped on them by those who seek political advantage?
Last edited by Yonivore; 10-08-2011 at 02:42 PM.
lol preserved American lives
Who's accountable for the hundreds of deaths of Mexican nationals and the two U.S. Agents?
Oh yeah, the Arizona Sheriffs are pissed too...
Arizona Sheriffs call for special prosecutor in Fast & Furious
Ten of Arizona’s 15 county sheriffs, including Democrats and Republicans, have called for the appointment of a federal special prosecutor in the Fast & Furious scandal.
Issa: 'Fast and furious' subpoenas issued soon
I hope they drag Holder's ass back before the Committee.
Who is accountable for 6000+ of wasted US military lives and 100s of 1000s of of IRaqi and Afghani lives?
Yoni always refuses to answer that one, preferring to repeat the Repug lies.
Is there anything this clip can't do?
Thanks for the link Yoni. That was freaking hilarious!
Issa: "the American people want to know"!
So, are you saying going into Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban was a bad thing? The 9/11 attacks were instigated from there.
That would be like us not doing anything after the Pearl Harbor according to your logic.
What would you have had us do in regards to Iraq?
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